Can light be a medium for sound?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the question of whether light can serve as a medium for sound waves, exploring theoretical implications and practical applications. Participants examine the nature of photons, sound wave propagation, and the potential for modulation of light to transmit audio signals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that photons do not interact with each other due to their lack of charge, which they argue prevents them from carrying pressure waves.
  • Others propose that while photons cannot directly transmit sound waves, the intensity of a light beam can be modulated with acoustic frequencies, allowing audio signals to be transmitted via light beams, such as in fiber optic communications.
  • One participant suggests that sound waves could theoretically be transmitted if light had a certain density, speculating about a "magic" density that could allow for harmonic capabilities between sound and light.
  • Another viewpoint is that light can transfer momentum, and a hypothetical scenario is presented where a solar sail could act as a speaker when hit by a nonconstant light source.
  • Participants discuss the modulation and demodulation process necessary for converting sound waves into light signals and vice versa, particularly in applications like laser surveillance.
  • There is a question raised about the nature of photon interactions, specifically whether two photons traveling together could affect each other's amplitude or intensity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether light can be a medium for sound waves. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the interaction of photons and the theoretical conditions under which sound and light might coexist or influence each other.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the properties of photons, the nature of sound waves in different media, and the theoretical implications of density on sound and light interactions. Some claims rely on specific definitions and conditions that remain unresolved.

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I guess I have rather a simple question: Can light be a medium for sound waves? I don't know where this question should be placed so I thought general physics was a good spot.
 
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Originally posted by ARandomNoun
I guess I have rather a simple question: Can light be a medium for sound waves? I don't know where this question should be placed so I thought general physics was a good spot.
No. Photons are not charged, and do not interact with each other. They thus cannot carry pressure waves.

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Originally posted by chroot
No. Photons are not charged, and do not interact with each other. They thus cannot carry pressure waves.

- Warren

BUT...

The intensity of a light beam can be modulated with acoustic frequency. This signal can then be transmitted via optic fiber or even through the air (or vacuum) to be demodulated by a receiver. Thus you have transmitted audio signals via a light beam.
This signal and be either analog or digital. This is the method used in long distance fiber optic communications or between your DVD player and receiver when an optical connection is available.
 
CHROOT - question: Is the only reason you say photons don't interact is because they have no charge?


Integral - when you "modulate/demodulate" you are converting information signals, the sound wave is not riding on the light wave.


ARandomNoun - the main reason that wouldn't work is because light has 0 density, and the speed of the sound wave in o density would be 0. There is a theoretical "magic" density (nothing on this planet*) where light would slow down enough, and sound would speed up enough for their harmonic capabilities to be harnessed.

* iron or steel increase sound to around 5121m/sec, still 51,500 times less than the amount needed. Perhaps this was the density of the Universe @ BIG bang.


LPF
 
Originally posted by ARandomNoun
I guess I have rather a simple question: Can light be a medium for sound waves? I don't know where this question should be placed so I thought general physics was a good spot.

I think they could, though it wouldn't be very efficient. Ater all, light can transfer momentum. Imagine a big solar sail being hit with a nonconstant light source. It'd be a hugedspeaker (though, being in a vacuum, it woulnd't be very loud).
 
Originally posted by 8LPF16
CHROOT - question: Is the only reason you say photons don't interact is because they have no charge?

LPF

Photons do not interact because there is no potential croos-term in the QED lagrangian (and hence no photon-photon vertex in the Feynman diagrams). This is deeper than saying they have no charge, since you do have cross-terms of the vector potential and the electrons (spinors).
 
Light can be made to oscilate in such a fassion as to re-create sound waves. This is the technique used in laser-surveilance equipment, wherein a laser beam is pointed at a winow of a room and reflected off that surface back to a receiver. Sound waves in the room cuase the winow to vibrate, and that vibration is carried through the beam to the receiver, where the original sound waves can be reproduced. But that requires modulation/demodulation as Integral spoke of earlier.

However, if a person had need to, they might be able to reproduce sound waves using only the expansion/contraction of air caused by the thermal energy of a laser or other light source.
 
chroot & GRQC

I was mainly concerned with the statement that photons do not interact. Wouldn't two photons traveling side by side increase their amplitude/intensity? And photons with x wavelength and y wavelength combining to make photon w/ z wavelength?


LPF
 

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