Zhenxin Painting - An Artwork by Tom Hinst

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The discussion revolves around the song "Zhenxin," associated with Tom Hinst's artwork, exploring its lyrics, translations, and connections to various artists, including Jackie Chan and Emil Chow. Participants engage in sharing interpretations, translations, and personal insights about the song and its cultural context.

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  • Some participants express appreciation for the song's lyrics, with PrudensOptimus providing a translation that is noted to be challenging due to the complexities of translating from Chinese to English.
  • There is a suggestion that the song may be connected to Jackie Chan, with some participants questioning the nature of the song and its intended themes.
  • KLscilevothma mentions that the melody of the song is similar to another song they like, prompting discussions about the lyrics and their meanings.
  • PrudensOptimus and others discuss the differences between traditional and simplified Chinese characters, indicating that understanding may vary among speakers from different regions.
  • Participants share opinions on the popularity of various Chinese artists, such as Fay Wong and F4, with some expressing uncertainty about their fame in different areas.
  • Monique seeks recommendations for traditional Chinese music, indicating a desire to explore beyond pop songs.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the lyrics and their translations, with participants disagreeing on whether the lyrics are the same across different versions of the song. There is no consensus on the interpretations of the song's themes or the popularity of the artists mentioned.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with Chinese music and language, which may influence their interpretations and discussions. The conversation reflects a mix of personal insights and cultural references that are not universally understood.

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http://www.hinst.net/~tom/zhenxin.jpg
 
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Originally posted by PrudensOptimus
Great lyrics.
 


Originally posted by Evo
Great lyrics.


Lol, you don't read Chinese do you?
 


Originally posted by PrudensOptimus
Lol, you don't read Chinese do you?
Not even in my dreams.

So, are you going to give us non-Chinese speaking people a translation? :smile:
 
In my heart there was a dream,

That is to sing so you may forget your miseries,

(In) starful skies who is the true hero

Common people give me the most passion

No more hate, no more sorrow,

May there is love in every corner,

We sing for your smile,

Wish your life be special from this point on,

Use every minute,

To fulfull our dream with full throtle, If not through storm

How can we see rainbow. Not everyone can be successful just like that

Use every passion in life,

Hug close friends,

Let true words and happy tears

be in my heart moving.


-- Text to Text translation, ... and is very hard to understand because Chinese to english is hard.
 
Very nice song Prudens. :smile:
 
http://source.flashw.com/swf/004174.swf [click the button on the bottom right corner in order to start]

Well, the melody of this song is exactly the same as the one that I like but the lyrics are different. :smile:
 
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Now that there is a song there might as well be a musical to supplement it. *can vaguely imagine a musical about Physics Forums* Would be interesting.
 
is it a song written for Jackie Chan??

Coming from you Prudens i would have thought it would be a song about a girl or something! :wink:
 
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Originally posted by KLscilevothma
http://source.flashw.com/swf/004174.swf [click the button on the bottom right corner in order to start]

Well, the melody of this song is exactly the same as the one that I like but the lyrics are different. :smile:
What are these lyrics about KL?
 
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  • #11
Originally posted by PrudensOptimus
http://www.hinst.net/~tom/zhenxin.jpg

Hey! Tom, I think you liked that you look like Chan! ;)
Aha...is this one written by you?...dedecated to Chan?

From the translated version it seems good :)
 
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  • #12
Originally posted by Monique
What are these lyrics about KL?
Monique, I think I better ask PrudensOptimus to translate it.

PrudensOptimus, would you mind translating it? I'm not good at translation.

is it a song written for Jackie Chan??
There are total four singers in this song, one of them is Jacky Chan.
 
  • #13
Originally posted by KLscilevothma
http://source.flashw.com/swf/004174.swf [click the button on the bottom right corner in order to start]

Well, the melody of this song is exactly the same as the one that I like but the lyrics are different. :smile:

That was Emil Chow (Wa Kin) wasn't it?

I liked it.
 
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  • #14
Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
That was Emil Chow (Wa Kin) wasn't it?

I liked it.
Oh, you know Chow Wa Kin ? Wow, I couldn't believe it. Is he really that famous?

The other version of this song that I mentioned is actually sung by the same group of people. Emil Chow and Jacky Chan were two of them.
 
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Originally posted by KLscilevothma
Oh, you know Chow Wa Kin ? Wow, I couldn't believe it. Is he really that famous?

I have a secret source of ancient Chinese secrets.
 
  • #16
Originally posted by Evo
Very nice song Prudens. :smile:

Thanks, but I do not take the credit. This song is quite a famous song but many people don't know the name since there are millions of good songs in China.

This song is by Jackie Chan, and a few others together.
 
  • #17
Originally posted by KLscilevothma
http://source.flashw.com/swf/004174.swf [click the button on the bottom right corner in order to start]

Well, the melody of this song is exactly the same as the one that I like but the lyrics are different. :smile:

They are the same lyrics...
 
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  • #18
Originally posted by Monique
What are these lyrics about KL?

Same lyrics...
 
  • #19
Originally posted by PrudensOptimus
Same lyrics...
No, they aren't the same. Names of the song are different too. I'm finding fonts that can convert traditional chinese characters to simplified Chinese characters as I'm afriad you can't understand every word written in traditional chinese characters. My experience tells me people from mainland China may find it difficult to read traditional chinese characters while we find it difficult to read simplified chinese characters.

The link I provided above isn't the other version of this song. Perhaps you misunderstood that. I haven't uploaded my version yet. :smile: I'll upload them if ready, or if you don't mind reading traditional chinese characters.
 
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Originally posted by KLscilevothma
No, they aren't the same. Names of the song are different too. I'm finding fonts that can convert traditional chinese characters to simplified Chinese characters as I'm afriad you can't understand every word written in traditional chinese characters. My experience tells me people from mainland China may find it difficult to read traditional chinese characters while we find it difficult to read simplified chinese characters.

The link I provided above isn't the other version of this song. Perhaps you misunderstood that. I haven't uploaded my version yet. :smile: I'll upload them if ready, or if you don't mind reading traditional chinese characters.


Dude, I know my Chinese. They are the same. Same name, same lyrics, same singers...
 
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And the SWF is in Simplified Chinese, not traditional.
 
  • #22
Originally posted by PrudensOptimus
And the SWF is in Simplified Chinese, not traditional.
I know.

Also, I said, "The link I provided above isn't the other version of this song. Perhaps you misunderstood that. I haven't uploaded my version yet." I meant I haven't uploaded the version I mentioned. Am I really that unclear ? :frown:

Dude, please don't forget, I'm Chinese too and I know Chinese. And I know the difference between simplified Chinese and traditional Chinese.

Ok, here's the other version which is in simplified chinese. It is converted to simplifed chinese from traditional chinese by a software called NJStar Chinese WP.
http://www.angelfire.com/freak2/anywork/song.jpg
 
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since we're on chinese music-is Fay Wong a pretty famous singer? I heard her music once and she's got a good voice-almost rivals Celine dione. Also, is F4 big in china?
 
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How about any good traditional singers? Music I could buy online?
 
  • #25
Originally posted by Zantra
since we're on chinese music-is Fay Wong a pretty famous singer? I heard her music once and she's got a good voice-almost rivals Celine dione. Also, is F4 big in china?

Fay Wong is very very very famous! She was born in Bei Jing. When she was eight years old (IIRC), she and her family moved to Hong Kong. Not only is she famous in China and Hong Kong SAR, but also in Japan and other parts of the world.

You know what? KL is a nerd who knows nearly nothing about pop singers but knows a lot about old songs which don't really belong to the younger generation. F4 is a very new group from Tai Wan and I just did a little research about them. They are very famous in Hong Kong and Tai Wan, but I'm not sure whether they are famous in mainland China.

By the way, how did you know F4 ? [?] By some kind of secret source like the one Ivan has?
 
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Originally posted by Monique
How about any good traditional singers? Music I could buy online?
As I've said I don't know much about pop songs here. If you want to listen to some of them, you can try downloading them from the internet, or PM me if you want me introduce you some of my favourites.
 
  • #27
Originally posted by Monique
How about any good traditional singers? Music I could buy online?


Male:
HK division(most popular in china):
Liu De Hua (aka Andy Lau)

Zhang Xue You (don't know his english name)

Taiwan Division(2nd popular):

Ren Xian Qi


Female:

HK:

Wang Fei (aka Wong Fei, Faye Wong).


Edit: A few mp3s of those artists in Mandarin.(Note I heard they have many good ones in Cantonese too.)

List of famous POP songs by Zhang Xue You(there are like 50+, but I'll list a few):

http://edu.nx.cninfo.net/edu/schoolmusic/biewen.mp3 -- "Goodbye with a kiss"

http://www.xdjs.gov.cn/music/mc/030/0214.mp3 -- "Love Letter"

http://218.22.192.164/tool/tools/mp3/zxy-rgzdbsa.mp3 -- "If this is not love"


Some by Liu De Hua(aka Andy Lau):

http://ly.northtimes.com/xinge/anywn.mp3 -- "Love you ten thousand years."

http://www.dcb.hljmptt.net.cn/ez/19949.mp3 -- "Water (that) erase love"

http://www.xzcx.net.cn/yltd/lxgx/lxyy/MP3/ldh/14.mp3 -- "Chinese"


There are just sooooo mannny more... Hard to find on the internet. You need to check out Andy Lau's movies if you haven't... He is also a fantastic movie actor... I love his movies, especially his "Running out of Time"(aka An Zhan).
 
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Actually a long time ago in Boston, or New York.. or was it LA? Don't even remember I bought some tapes with Asian music, I guess they are vietnamese:

Mùa Thy Cho Em
Ngoc Huong Le Huynh

Gia Huy
Anh Van Biet

Tuoi
Doi Muoi

The problem is that they are all covers with very cheap background synthesizer music

So I am not interested in pop music, more in traditional singing.
 
  • #29
Originally posted by Monique
Actually a long time ago in Boston, or New York.. or was it LA? Don't even remember I bought some tapes with Asian music, I guess they are vietnamese:

Mùa Thy Cho Em
Ngoc Huong Le Huynh

Gia Huy
Anh Van Biet

Tuoi
Doi Muoi

The problem is that they are all covers with very cheap background synthesizer music

So I am not interested in pop music, more in traditional singing.


You should listen to Andy Lau's "Chinese."

and watch his DVDs.(Running out of Time, God of Gamblers.. etc.)
 
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Translation of KL's lyrics:


Open the warm window of (my) eye,

Only walking on the cold fields,

The sun rises from the terrain,

Shines in the bright eternal way,

Know loving, know to share.

Treasure this life before the next.

Don't let arrogance be into your life.

... more coming soon (hard translation).
 

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