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edward Nov5-06 03:00 PM

1999 war games predicted problems with invasion of Iraq
 
We had the correct information long before the war. The Bush administration choose to ignore it.

Quote:

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government was tipped off years ago that invading Iraq would likely be problematic.

A series of secret war games in 1999 predicted that an invasion of Iraq would require 400,000 troops, and even then chaos might ensue.

In its "Desert Crossing" games, 70 military, diplomatic and intelligence officials assumed the high troop levels would be needed to keep order, seal borders and take care of other security needs. The game also predicted that "a change in regimes does not guarantee stability."
http://www.nbc6.net/news/10243429/detail.html#

Gokul43201 Nov5-06 03:24 PM

The war games were obviously flawed - they didn't take into account that God was on Bush's side!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre.../06/bush.shtml

russ_watters Nov5-06 06:14 PM

I finde the article somewhat confusing: it talks about the invasion requiring 400,000 troops, then says:
Quote:

There are currently about 144,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, down from a peak of about 160,000 in January.
160,000 is most certainly not more than we had for the invasion, though I'm having trouble finding that number. (edit: near as I can tell, we had about 250,000, but I'm looking more reliable sources)

Regardless, they are mixing unrelated facts to support their conclusion. I'd like to read the actual report...

Gokul43201 Nov5-06 07:54 PM

Perhaps 160,000 was the post-invasion peak level? Here's Rummy's words:

http://usinfo.state.gov/usinfo/Archi.../23-44645.html

Quote:

Visiting with U.S. troops in Iraq December 23, Rumsfeld announced adjustments in troop deployments that "reduce forces in Iraq by the spring of 2006 below the current high of 160,000 during the [Iraqi] election period to below the 138,000 baseline that had existed before the most recent elections."
Hard to say what exactly he is refering to (and I suspect this is the source of this oft repeated number)...but I too recall a number like 250,000 troops for the invasion.

Gokul43201 Nov5-06 07:59 PM

Better info here:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB207/index.htm

Astronuc Nov5-06 08:52 PM

You'll have to be careful to distinguish the number of troops in Iraq, as apposed to the number of troops in theater, e.g. those in Kuwait and off-shore.

I've seen troop deployment numbers somewhere. There is usually a Defense Department summary montly or quarterly.

Here's something from 2004 - http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/..._04-15-04.html
Quote:

About 137,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq now, and that number was supposed to have dropped to 115,000 by May. But Rumsfeld said Gen. John Abizaid, the overall commander of the Iraq war, wants to keep the force level at about 135,000 troops.

edward Nov5-06 09:03 PM

Quote:

Quote by russ_watters
I finde the article somewhat confusing: it talks about the invasion requiring 400,000 troops, then says: 160,000 is most certainly not more than we had for the invasion, though I'm having trouble finding that number. (edit: near as I can tell, we had about 250,000, but I'm looking more reliable sources)

Regardless, they are mixing unrelated facts to support their conclusion. I'd like to read the actual report...

Apparently whatever number we had in the initial inasion was sufficient to topple the govenment of Iraq, but not enough to control the country.

Quote:

WASHINGTON | The U.S. government conducted a series of secret war games in 1999 that anticipated that an invasion of Iraq would require 400,000 troops, and even then, chaos might ensue.

In its Desert Crossing games, 70 military, diplomatic and intelligence officials assumed that the high troop levels would be needed to keep order, seal borders and take care of other security needs.

The documents came to light Saturday through a Freedom of Information Act request by George Washington University’s National Security Archive.

“The conventional wisdom is the U.S. mistake in Iraq was not enough troops,” said Thomas Blanton, the archive’s director. “But the Desert Crossing war game in 1999 suggests we would have ended up with a failed state even with 400,000 troops on the ground.”
GWU now has the documents. I doubt that they will be available on the net for a while.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

or I could be wrong about that.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB207/index.htm

Skyhunter Nov5-06 09:39 PM

The coalition of the bribed and willing consisted of 263,000 troops.

http://www.answers.com/topic/2003-invasion-of-iraq


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