Calculating Water Rocket Force: Velocity, Time & Mass

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force exerted by a water rocket, focusing on the relationship between the mass of water ejected, its velocity, and the time of ejection. Participants are exploring how to derive the necessary parameters to understand the rocket's acceleration and force dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the change in mass of the water to the force of the rocket, questioning how to determine velocity and time without direct measurements. Other participants suggest that increasing air pressure affects the rocket's speed and highlight the challenge of calculating the water's exit velocity without additional data.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning the assumptions regarding the relationship between pressure, velocity, and force. Some guidance has been offered regarding the impact of pressure on rocket performance, but no consensus has been reached on how to proceed with the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraint of not having direct measurements for the velocity of the water or the time of ejection, which complicates their ability to calculate the force accurately.

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Hi,

I understand that the force with which a water rocket is accelerated is equal to the force of the reaction mass (or water) sent in the other direction.

If the change in mass of the water as it is being ejected can be calculated from this equation:

change of M = area of exit x water density x (velocity of water x time)

How am I supposed to find out the change of mass if I have no idea what the velocity and time is?

Do I have to compare that with the velocity of the rocket (which I know)?


Thanks
 
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OK this is what I have now:

F = delta(mv) / delta t = (density x exit area x v^2)


But, I have no idea what v is.


I know that the acceleration of the rocket is equal to (v^2 / 2) / displacement, and so F = ma which equals the force of the reaction mass.

Hmm I may have answered my question..

But just so I know-

Without knowing the velocity of the water, there is no way I can work out the force..that would depend on the air pressure and all that...correct?
 
I'm sure it has occurred to you that if you take exactly the same amount of water but increase the pressure in the rocket (by pumping air in) the rocket will move faster. Unless you have some indendent way of calculating the speed with which the water leaves the rocket you will not be able to calculate the speed of the rocket.
 
Yes.
Thanks for your input.
 

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