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Is it actually impossible to integrate certain functions such as [tex]sin(x^2)[/tex] or have we just not found a method yet?
The discussion revolves around the question of whether all functions can be integrated, specifically focusing on functions like sin(x^2) and the nature of their antiderivatives. Participants explore theoretical, conceptual, and practical aspects of integration, including the definitions of elementary functions and the implications of continuity and differentiability.
Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the nature of integrability and the definitions of functions. While there is consensus that sin(x^2) has an antiderivative, there is no agreement on whether it can be expressed in terms of elementary functions or the implications of continuity versus differentiability for integrability.
Limitations in the discussion include varying definitions of elementary functions, the complexity of antiderivatives, and the potential for different theories of integration to influence conclusions. Some mathematical steps and assumptions remain unresolved.
This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in mathematics, particularly those exploring calculus concepts related to integration, continuity, and the nature of functions.
deltabourne said:Is it actually impossible to integrate certain functions such as [tex]sin(x^2)[/tex] or have we just not found a method yet?
deltabourne said:Is it actually impossible to integrate certain functions such as [tex]sin(x^2)[/tex] or have we just not found a method yet?
True, but whether you like them or not, the "elementary functions" everyone has been talking about are pretty well (if arbitrarily) defined. Sine is an "elementery" function, the Fresnel functions (and the Bessel functions, the Erf function, Lambert's W function, etc.) are not!guarav89 said:Now if you don't like the Fresnel functions - then one could say sin(x^2) can not be integrated. But then - someone may not like the Sine function itself...
As long as no two points have the same y value, 100% because that the definition of "mathematical function". Again, it may not be a function anyone has ever defined before!JohnDubya said:Take a sheet of paper, draw an x-y grid, and then draw an arbitrary curve. The curve obviously exists because you can see it, but what chance is there that the curve can be modeled exactly by a mathematical function?