Write # as a ratio of two integers

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of expressing the number 3.1415999999999... as a ratio of two integers, drawing parallels to a similar example involving 2.3171717.... Participants explore the validity of different mathematical approaches and the implications of rounding in their calculations.

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  • One participant outlines a method for converting 2.3171717... into a fraction using a geometric series and attempts to apply a similar method to 3.1415999999999..., but finds discrepancies in the result.
  • Another participant asserts that 3.1416 is equivalent to 3.1415999999999..., suggesting that any fractional representation of one is also a representation of the other.
  • Some participants question the correctness of equating 3.1416 with 3.1415999999999..., debating whether the term "technically" applies to the assertion of their equivalence.
  • There is a discussion about the reasoning behind grouping the nines in pairs, with one participant indicating there was no specific reason for this choice.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of equating 3.1416 with 3.1415999999999..., with some asserting their equivalence while others question the implications of such a statement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriateness of the mathematical approach used.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for expressing 3.1415999999999... as a ratio of two integers, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of rounding and equivalence in fractional representations.

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Problem: Write the number 3.1415999999999... as a ratio of two integers.

In my book, they have a similar example, but using 2.3171717... And this is how they solved that problem.

2.3171717... = 2.3 + (17/10^3) + (17/10^5) + (17/10^7) + ...

After the first term we have a geometric series with a = (17/10^3) and r = (1/10^2). Therefore:

2.3171717... = 2.3 + [(17/10^3) / (1 - (1/10^2))] = 2.3 + [(17/1000)/(99/100)] = (23/10) + (17/990) = 1147/495 == 2.3171717...

Thinking I could follow the similar steps with a different number, I thought it would work, but it really isn't.

This is what I did:

3.1415999999999... = 3.1415 + (99/10^6) + (99/10^8) + (99/10^10)

a = (99/10^6) and r = (1/10^2)

3.1415 + [(99/10^6) / (1 - (1/10^2))] = 3.1415 + [(99/1000000)/(99/100) = (31415/10000) + (1/10000) = (31416/10000) = 3.1416 which isn't 3.1415999999999...

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks
 
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3.1416 which isn't 3.1415999999999...

Actually, it is.


P.S. any particular reason you were grouping the nines in pairs?
 
technically, it is, but is that correct though? and no, there was no reason i paired them up.
 
noboost4you said:
technically, it is, but is that correct though? and no, there was no reason i paired them up.

3.1416=3.141599999999... is very true. So any fractional representation of one is a representation of the other. In fact, that's how I would have solved this problem; I wouldn't have bothered with an infinite geometric series in this case.
 
noboost4you said:
technically, it is, but is that correct though? and no, there was no reason i paired them up.


Techically it's true but is it correct? Is that what you are asking?

"True" is "true"- there is no "technically"! And if it's true, then it's correct.
 

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