Foucault Pendulum: Deriving Equations of Motion

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the equations of motion for a Foucault pendulum, specifically focusing on the mathematical formulation and the challenges in understanding the derivation process. The scope includes theoretical aspects of classical mechanics and the application of Coriolis force concepts.

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  • One participant presents the equations of motion for the Foucault pendulum and expresses confusion about their derivation.
  • Another participant references a source that provides the equations and mentions the Coriolis force's role in the derivation, but does not clarify the derivation process itself.
  • A third participant notes difficulties in following derivations due to varying notations used by different authors and suggests seeking additional resources for clarity.
  • This participant also shares a link to their website featuring simulations related to the Foucault pendulum, distinguishing between animations and true simulations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation process, and multiple views on the clarity of the derivation and notation used remain. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and approaches to the topic.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the transition between different notational systems in the derivation process, which may contribute to confusion. There is also a lack of detailed explanation on how the equations are derived from the Coriolis force definition.

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Consider a pendulum which is free to move in any direction and is sufficiently long and heavy that it will swing freely for several hours. Ignoring the vertical component both of the pendulum's motion and of the Coriolis force, the equations of motion for the bob are:

[tex]\ddot{x}=-\frac{g}{l}x+2(\omega)cos\theta\dot{y}[/tex]
[tex]\ddot{y}=-\frac{g}{l}y-2(\omega)cos\theta\dot{x}[/tex]

I've found these equations from 'Classical Mechanics - Kibble & Berkshire, 5th Edition'. I don't understand how they are derived?
 
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For me the thing that gives me difficulty in following Foucault pendulum derivations is that the author usually jumps from notation to notation. I see authors switching between index notation, vector notation and parametric notation.

I suggest you comb the internet and textbooks that you can get hold of for derivations, and piece together a picture that you comprehend.

There is a http://www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/foucault_pendulum.php" on my website, and in all there are three Foucault related simulations.

The applets feature true simulations, not animations.
- An animation depicts the mathematics of the analytic solution to the equation of motion.
- A simulation takes as input the raw differential equation that relates acceleration to the force(s) that act(s), and then performs numerical analysis to obtain a trajectory.

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Thanks Cleonis.
 

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