Are better-adapted genes less easily mutated?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between gene adaptation, mutation rates, and the implications of genetic conservation in evolutionary biology. Participants explore whether better-adapted genes are less susceptible to mutations and how this affects their evolutionary fitness in changing environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that once a trait is established in an environment, it may be more resistant to further changes, though this is questioned by others who suggest that resistance to mutation could lead to disadvantages when environmental changes occur.
  • There is a claim that adapted genes mutate at the same rate as other genes, but mutated adapted genes may be selected against if they confer disadvantages.
  • Participants discuss the concept of genetic homeostasis, suggesting that natural selection may favor average phenotypes over extremes, which could influence mutation dynamics.
  • Some argue that certain genes are highly conserved across species due to their critical functions, implying that evolution has mechanisms to shield these genes from common mutations.
  • Others challenge the idea of additional protection for certain genes, stating that conservation is due to negative selection against harmful mutations rather than inherent resistance to mutation.
  • It is noted that while mutation rates may be similar across genes, the substitution rates in highly important genes are low, indicating that natural selection plays a role in maintaining genetic integrity.
  • Participants mention that cellular mechanisms protect against mutagenic agents generally rather than targeting specific genes, and that certain nucleotides may be more susceptible to mutations.
  • Deinococcus radiodurans is cited as an example of an organism with exceptional DNA repair mechanisms, suggesting that resilience to mutation is more about repair capabilities than inherent gene protection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between gene adaptation and mutation rates. There is no consensus on whether better-adapted genes are less easily mutated or if conservation is due to selection against harmful mutations.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include various assumptions about the definitions of adaptation and mutation, as well as the implications of genetic conservation across species. The complexity of mutation mechanisms and their relationship to environmental changes remains unresolved.

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Once a trait is established to its environment, might that indicate, by definition or process, that it is more likely resistant to further changes in that environment?
 
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Loren Booda said:
Once a trait is established to its environment, might that indicate, by definition or process, that it is more likely resistant to further changes in that environment?

I don't know if this is true or not but if a better adapted gene is resistant to mutation, that would make it a badly adapted gene when new changes come along and it can't mutate.
 
Loren Booda said:
Once a trait is established to its environment, might that indicate, by definition or process, that it is more likely resistant to further changes in that environment?

Can you specify what you mean by 'it' in the second clause? Do you mean changes in the environment, or changes in the trait? (Perhaps you can give an example.)
 
The "adapted genes" still mutated and the same rate as the other genes; however, the mutated "adapted genes" may be selected out of the gene pool if it creates a disavantage for the carrier. Mutation occurs in functionnaly important and unimportant regions of a protein. The mutations in functionnaly important usually alter the function and the phenotype. Mutations in functionnal unimportant region usually do not cause a change in phenotype and function of a protein. This also dependents on the type of mutation.

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/M/Mutations.html
 
iansmith, NateTG and Crumbles - let me modify my original question by asking whether a vital variation among "typical" genes is around their mean likelihood to mutate (saying that a gene in general is more or less beneficially susceptible to radiation or chemicals).
 
iansmith said:
The "adapted genes" still mutated and the same rate as the other genes; however, the mutated "adapted genes" may be selected out of the gene pool if it creates a disavantage for the carrier. Mutation occurs in functionnaly important and unimportant regions of a protein. The mutations in functionnaly important usually alter the function and the phenotype. Mutations in functionnal unimportant region usually do not cause a change in phenotype and function of a protein. This also dependents on the type of mutation.

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/M/Mutations.html

It is a fact that some genes are "conserved" across a startlingly large range of species, implying a vast stretch of time. For example I have read we share something like 20% of our genes with some plants (oak trees were mentioned). This implies that some genes are so important that evolution has found a way to shield them from the more common mutations.
 
It's strange no one mentioned genetic homeostasis. I think natural selection would tend to favour phenotypes which are more or less the average among the population rather than the extremes. In fact, Gould and Eldredge did use such an argument to make their case for PE, saying that genetic homeostasis acts as a bar against species undergoing anagenesis.
 
selfAdjoint said:
It is a fact that some genes are "conserved" across a startlingly large range of species, implying a vast stretch of time. For example I have read we share something like 20% of our genes with some plants (oak trees were mentioned). This implies that some genes are so important that evolution has found a way to shield them from the more common mutations.

There is not a additional protection for certain genes. Some genes are highly conserved because any mutation usually has a negative effects and selected against. These genes were present in the animal and plant common ancestor and were kept due to the importance. These genes are usually an absolute requirement for growth and regulation and any slight modification of the protein protein will result into the death of the cell.

The mutation rate is similar for any gene with exception of mutation hot-spot; however the substitution rate is low in highly important gene and high in non-coding sequences. It implies that natural selection removes mutation that leads to a decrease in survival.

However, there is some DNA sequnces that facilitate recombination of DNA and increase recombination repair in a certain area. Those sequnces are found thorugh out the genome and have not yet been show to be specifically associated with important genes. Also the recombination repair mechanism is not perfect and could introduce mutation in the gene.
 
Loren Booda said:
iansmith, NateTG and Crumbles - let me modify my original question by asking whether a vital variation among "typical" genes is around their mean likelihood to mutate (saying that a gene in general is more or less beneficially susceptible to radiation or chemicals).

Most of the cellular protection against mutagenic agent are to product the cell and all the genome rather than some specific set of genes. Mutation will be fixed regadless of the type of DNA sequence. Some nucleotides are also more susceptible to certain type of mutation. The relative % of GC of may prevent certain mutation and offer a protective effect but the %GC through out the genome is usually same for any genes/DNA sequences of a given species. %GC is usually different in DNA sequences obtain from other species.

Deinococcus radiodurans is the bacteria that withstand the most DNA damage but it is due to repair mechanism rather than a "Shield".
 

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