Distinct powers of z=cosa*pi+isina*pi

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The discussion revolves around the distinct powers of the complex number z = cos(aπ) + i sin(aπ), where a can be either rational or irrational. Participants explore how the rationality of a affects the number of distinct powers of z.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the number of distinct powers based on the rationality of a, using angle differences and multiples of 2π. Some participants question the validity of their methods and seek clarification on the implications of p being odd or even.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, with some providing insights into the factorization of integers and the implications for the values of n and k. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in determining distinct powers when a is irrational, and the discussion is ongoing without a clear consensus.

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There is an emphasis on the unique factorization of integers and the relationships between p and q in the context of rational numbers. The discussion also highlights the challenges in demonstrating infinite distinct powers for irrational a.

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How many distinct powers of z=cosa[pi]+isina[pi] are there if a is rational? Irrational?
Concerning the rational part of the question, it was easy to show that if a=p/q, then there are q distinct powers of z if p is even, and 2q if p is odd.
(q+n)p[pi]/q=p[pi]+np[pi]/q (p is even)
(2q+n)p[pi]/q=2p[pi]+np[pi]/q (p is odd)
I was wondering for this instance if there is a more direct way to get the answer (as opposed to just chosing q+n for n). For example, I at first attempted to write an equation such that the difference between two angles is a multiple of 2[pi].
n2p[pi]/q - n1p[pi]/q=k2[pi]
k is some positive integer
(p/q)[pi](n2 - n1)=k2[pi]
But this method has poor results.
n2 - n1=2kq/p
...
As for the second instance, I haven't the slightest clue how to go about showing that there is an infinite number of distinct powers. My equation above certainly would have no application here because there should be no two angles that have a difference that is a multiple of 2[pi]. And as for just arbitrarily selecting values of n, I don't think that will get me very far since I will have to select an infinite number of n's to show there is no repeat.
 
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Originally posted by StephenPrivitera
For example, I at first attempted to write an equation such that the difference between two angles is a multiple of 2[pi].
You're looking for the smallest natural number n that satisfies

na[pi]= k*2[pi], or
na=2k

Now, let a = p/q, then
np=2qk

p and q have no common factor larger than 1.
So, If p is odd, then p=k, so n=2q.
If p is even, then p=2k, so n=q.

As you already stated correctly.

Now, what solutions does na=2k have if a is irrational? :wink:
 


Originally posted by arcnets

So, If p is odd, then p=k, so n=2q.
If p is even, then p=2k, so n=q.
Your work has the exact same result as mine (n=2kq/p), but I was unable to determine what value k takes on.
I need to know how you determined p=k ... before I can answer this:
Originally posted by arcnets

Now, what solutions does na=2k have if a is irrational? :wink:
 


Originally posted by StephenPrivitera
I need to know how you determined p=k
OK. You know that each integer can be factorized into primes in a unique way. Examples:
60 = 2*2*3*5
85 = 5*19
...
Low let a be rational, i.e. a = p/q. If p and q have any common prime factors, then we can divide them out. Let's assume we have already done this, so p and q have no common prime factors.

Now, if np = 2qk, then the prime factors on both sides are the same.

Now, let p be odd. This means, n is even. Let n = 2n'.
Then, 2n'p = 2qk, or n'p = qk.
Any prime factor of p cannot be in q, so it must be in k. And vice versa, no prime factor of q can be in p, so it must be in n'.
This yields p = k and q = n', so n = 2q.

Now, let p be even. Then let p = 2p', so 2np' = 2qk, or np' = qk.
The same argument as above yields p' = k and n = q.
 

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