What word is derived from the Irish Uisce Beatha meaning 'water of life'?

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The discussion revolves around the etymology of various words and phrases, with participants guessing the answers based on clues provided. The scope includes word origins from different languages and historical contexts, with a focus on linguistic connections rather than definitive conclusions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces a series of questions about word origins, including one asking for the word derived from the Irish Uisce Beatha meaning 'water of life'.
  • Some participants suggest answers to various questions, with one participant guessing "whiskey" for Q6 based on pronunciation.
  • Another participant confirms "whiskey" as the correct answer for Q6, linking it to the clue about drinking it straight.
  • Multiple participants engage in guessing and discussing other questions, such as the origins of "robot," "salary," and "bugger," but these are separate from the main focus on Q6.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is a consensus on the answer to Q6 being "whiskey," but other questions remain contested with various guesses and no definitive resolutions provided for those.

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Participants are limited to guessing one answer per question, which may affect the breadth of responses. The discussion includes references to historical and cultural contexts that inform the etymology of the words being guessed.

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RULES :

1. No Googling

2. IMPORTANT : Each person is allowed to guess only ONE answer (ONE answer total; not one per question)...unless I inform you otherwise.


Please read the rules again...thank you !


In the following questions I describe the the etymological basis of a present day word/phrase/slang term. You have to guess the word. Typically, the solution is quite easily derivable from the question (without requiring any mastery over Greek & Latin).

Here we go...

Q1) A little over 400 years ago, this bird, native to Africa, was first imported to England, via Constantinople. The qualities of the bird, however, had been known since the times of Aristotle and Pliny, who had both praised it heartily.

Q2) This word was coined by the Czech playwright (for the play titled R.U.R), Karel Capek, and is derived from the Slavik word for laborer or peasant.

Q3) The ancients believed that of all things required for the support of human life, salt was the most important. Whenever a Roman soldier was sent to a foreign land, he was given, over and above his regular pay, an amount of money for the purchase of salt. What word is derived from this ?

Q4) The Nizaris were a sub-sect of Shi'ite Muslims from around the 12th Century AD. Operating out mountain forts, they engaged in a long campaign of murdering numerous Sunni officials of the Abbasid and Seljuk Dynasties. The members of the sect were promised eternal paradise - by the leader - in return for martyrdom. To enhance the appeal of this promise, they were given hashish (a hallucinogen from the cannabis family), before being ordered out on missions. This word comes from a byname for the Nizaris.

Q5) The Bogomils were a heretical movement that first flowered in the Balkans in the mid-tenth century, and were considered a serious threat to religious orthodoxy. At the time, all heretics were accused of sexual deviance, whether or not the accusation was justified - and the Bogomils soon became labeled as deviants. What word comes from Bulgar (pronounced bull-gahr, this was the region that is now the country, Bulgaria) ?

Q6) This one's straight : What word is derived from the Irish Uisce Beatha meaning 'water of life' ?

Q7) During WWII, Lt. Col. Evan Carlson, an admirer of the Chinese work ethic, set up what he called _______ meetings, for his own troops. This term is derived from the Chinese word for 'working together', which was a popular communist motto at the time.

Q8) What word owes its origin to this Civil War General ? <see attached picture, ARB.BMP>

Get crackin'...
 

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#2 is 'robot'. I took beginning Russian lessons once and thought it interesting that their word for work was robotal. It was quite a few years later that I found it wasn't just a coincidence. Doh!
 
Good 'un, BobG.

Robot it is, from the verb robotal (I'm not going to try Cyrillic scripts here, thank you) or the noun robotnik.

Q2 is done, and so is Bob.
 
The pic for #8 doesn't come up yet, but I think the officer to whom you refer is General Hooker?
 
Hmph. Okay, Q4: Assassin.
 
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LURCH said:
The pic for #8 doesn't come up yet, but I think the officer to whom you refer is General Hooker?

No, it's not Hooker, though that's a good guess. But I'll let you have ONE more chance, on any question of your choice (since the attachment was not ready yet).

Give the admins time to approve the pic. Don't guess until you see it...else you risk forfeiting an opportunity on a blind guess.
 
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Adam, please read the rules, and edit your post to show only one answer (pick your best) - perhaps folks haven't seen this yet, so it's not too late.

Perhaps I wasn't clear before. I've edited the rules to remove any doubt.


PS : Thanks for the edit, Adam.
 
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#7 gung ho, from the Mandarin 'gonghe', literally 'work(ing) together'. However, my guess is that it's from a southern dialect, possibly Cantonese or Fujianese. Also, the 'communist' reference may be to an abbreviation, referring to the first two characters of 'Industrial Cooperative' (gongye hezuoshe) - there's an interesting history of this.
 
I can't believe I got "Kung Pow" wrong... Lying damn cow...
 
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Nereid <Oriental Expert> is right on Q7 ! It is Gung-ho...hard luck Adam !

Let's hear the history, Nereid...or a link to it would work too.
 
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Q3, I'm guessing salary.
It would make sense. Next time you think you're getting paid peanuts, remember it's really only the salt on the peanuts :smile:
 
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i've read that it was actually karel capek's brother who gave him the idea for the word.

as for Q3, i believe the answer is salary (salarium)

edit: blast, left the window open for too long
 
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5. Bugger. Subsects of the Bogumils encouraged the laity to live pretty hedonistic lifestyles, but apprently the accusations of 'buggery' were against the priestly class known as the 'perfecti' (spelling?) who led a celibate and very sober lifestyles.
 
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Correct Moonbear !

The 'salt money' was known as salarium (Lat.) from sal, meaning salt.

Correct jcsd...'bugger' it is ! I was hoping to see someone guess 'vulgar' first. Or would that have been too obvious to be right ?

Q3, Q4, Q5 and Q7 are done.
And Adam, Nereid, jcsd and Moonbear may rest until (and if) I announce a free-for-all.

HINT : One of the questions has a loaded clue in it, which is really a double-edged clue - it helps with another question too.
 
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DarkEternal, you're still open...your guess doesn't count (though it has been noted) so you get another turn.
 
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jcsd said:
5. Bugger. Subsects of the Bogumils encouraged the laity to live pretty hedonistic lifestyles, but apprently the accusations of 'buggery' were against the priestly class known as the 'perfecti' (spelling?) who led a celibate and very sober lifestyles.

The Bogomil priests (and also the Cathars, an offshoot of the Bogomils) were known for leading an exemplary lifestyle - even members of the Church have repeatedly admitted to this.

But Pope Innocent (some number or the other) decided to go ahead and have them all killed, anyway ! Ah the Crusades...what a fun time !
 
  • #17
i'll say Q6 is whiskey, guessing from the way it looks to be pronounced
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Nereid <Oriental Expert> is right on Q7 ! It is Gung-ho...hard luck Adam !

Let's hear the history, Nereid...or a link to it would work too.
OK, I googled to find http://www.nzchinasociety.org.nz/gungho.html * ... I hadn't realized (or long since forgotten) the New Zealand connection (no wonder Adam was so close ... but wait, isn't it terrifically, eh, negative, to mistake an Aussie for a Kiwi? :wink: )

*It gives the pinyin for 'Industrial Cooperative' as 'gongye hezhuoshe'; I think that's incorrect (it should be 'gongye hezuoshe', as in my post).
 
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DarkEternal said:
i'll say Q6 is whiskey, guessing from the way it looks to be pronounced

Right, DarkE ! It is whiskey !

Gokul said:
Q6) This one's straight :
That was a definite clue for whiskey - some drink it straight !

Also, this is a suggestion that if "this one's straight", something before this was...gay ? Yep, look back at Q5.
 
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Nereid, that was an interesting read - also a neat bit of trivia to note that Soong Ling first headed the Industrial Co-ops.

jcsd, watcha know - you are a clasickal skolar ! :bugeye:
 
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number 8 - sideburns
 
  • #22
Sideburns :smile: Right you are, Evo.

I see that you remember your American Hist...er Trivia ! :wink:
 
  • #23
I know the answer to number 1. I've been patiently waiting . Can I answer please, please??

Won't I look dumb if I am wrong? :-p
 
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BTW, the "Kung Pow Cow" thing was a reference to the movie Kung Pow.
 
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Okay, Evo...and all others, it's now a free-for-all.
 
  • #26
#1, is it the DODO, originally from around Madagascar off the coast of Africa?
 
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Q1 Turkey, (Istanbul not) Constantinople is in Turkey, but it isn't the same bird we call the Turkey these days (i.e. the Turkey of the variety that us Britishers eat at Christmas and the Amerikaners eat at Thaksgiving, that particular bird coming from the Americas not Africa), unfortunately I don't know the modern name for this bird.
 
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Hard luck Evo, (nice guess though)...gotta give it to the Clasickal Skolar, jcsd !
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Hard luck Evo, (nice guess though)...gotta give it to the Clasickal Skolar, jcsd !
nooooooooo :cry: :cry:
 
  • #30
Fowl foul

Wait a minute! This is a foul fowl folly!

JCSD does not know the name of the bird! He didn't name it, he said

jcsd said:
Q1 Turkey, (Istanbul not) Constantinople is in Turkey, but it isn't the same bird we call the Turkey these days (i.e. the Turkey of the variety that us Britishers eat at Christmas and the Amerikaners eat at Thaksgiving, that particular bird coming from the Americas not Africa), unfortunately I don't know the modern name for this bird.

Q1 remains unanswered! Turkeys did not originate in Africa.

Ok 1/2 point to jcsd for knowing everything but the name.