Solving a Canal Turn Problem: Finding the Longest Barge

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving the maximum length of a narrow barge that can navigate a right-angle turn in a canal with differing widths for the incoming and outgoing legs. Participants explore the implications of a given hint and engage in mathematical reasoning to derive a solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and the hint involving the length function L(x) = a sec x + b csc x, and expresses confusion about the next steps after deriving a critical point.
  • Another participant suggests a relationship a^2 + b^2 = L^2, prompting a challenge regarding its validity in the context of the problem.
  • A different participant agrees with the earlier result that tan^3(x) = b/a and proposes a geometric interpretation involving a right triangle with legs of length b^(1/3) and a^(1/3), leading to a calculation of sec x and csc x.
  • A participant acknowledges a misunderstanding related to the problem's geometry and expresses gratitude for the clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the validity of the relationship a^2 + b^2 = L^2, as one participant questions its applicability. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations of the problem remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the geometric configuration of the canal and the barge, which may affect the conclusions drawn by participants.

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alright, so i have this problem, and i must have gone wrong somewhere, because i am now lost.
the problem is this:
you have a canal that makes a right angle turn. the width of the canal for the incoming leg is a, and the width for the outgoing is b. what is the longest narrow barge that can be moved around the turn?

we were given this hint:
let x be the angle formed by a line segment touching the inside corner and terminating at the outside walls of the canal; here the angle is formed by the line segment and the outside wall of the leg of width b. the length of the line segment is
L(x)=a sec x + b csc x
as x approaches zero or pi/2, the length of this line segment approaches positive infinity. the maximum length of a barge that can make the turn is the minimum value of L(x).

so this is what i did:
i said L'(x) = a sec x tan x - b csc x cot x and set that = 0
I ended up getting b/a = tan ^3 (x) and then, x = tan ^-1 [(b/a)^(1/3)]
that could be where i screwed up, but who knows. i then wanted to plug that all back into the L(x) equation. but there i am stuck, because if i make (b/a)^(1/3) = p, i end up with L = a sec (cot p) + b csc (cot p) and i have NO idea where to go from there.
anyone got any ideas?
 
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Don't forget that

[tex]a^2 + b^2 = L^2[/tex]
 
Tide said:
Don't forget that

[tex]a^2 + b^2 = L^2[/tex]

Why would that be true? a and b are not legs of a right triangle in this problem.

allergic (to what? trig?), your result that tan3x= b/a looks good to me. That is, of course, the same as saying tan x= b1/3/a1/3.

Now, imagine a right triangle set up with legs of length b1/3 (opposite angle x) and a1/3 (next to angle x). The hypotenuse is given by [itex]\sqrt{b^{2/3}+a^{2/3}}[/itex]. You can calculate sec x and csc x from that.
 
ah-ha! that would be it. i always forget that kinda stuff.
thanks
 
Halls,

Sorry about that - I was looking at the condition for the ship to just fit the corner then misread my own sketch!
 

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