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 cue928 Feb13-11 03:35 PM

ODE Population problem

I know that the rate of change with time of a population is proportional to the square root of t. T=0 is y = 100. Population increases at rate of 20 per month.

I started out by trying to do dy/dt = p^.5. I am used to the population problems where I use y=Ce^(rt) but am having trouble making the jump to this kind. How do you account for the increase of 20/month?

 Amok Feb13-11 03:48 PM

Re: ODE Population problem

The population always increases at a rate of 20 per month, or is that an initial value?

 cue928 Feb13-11 03:49 PM

Re: ODE Population problem

Yes, always increases at rate of 20/month and initial population is 100.

 Amok Feb13-11 04:01 PM

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Than the question makes no sense to me. How can the rate of increase in the population be of 20/month and proportional to the square root of t at the same time?

 cue928 Feb13-11 04:03 PM

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You and me both then. Here is the exact question:
The time rate of change of a rabbit population P is proportional to the square root of P. At time t = 0 (months) the population numbers 100 rabbits and is increasing at the rate of 20 rabbits per month. How many after one year? The answer I guess is 484.

How do you set up logistics equations?

 Amok Feb13-11 04:21 PM

Re: ODE Population problem

So 20/month is an initial value.

The rate of change of P, i.e. it's derivative with respect to P is proportional to the square root of P:

$$\frac{dP(t)}{dt} = \alpha P^{1/2}$$

where alpha is a constant with respect to. You also know that

$$\frac{dP(t)}{dt} \bigg|_{t=0}} = 20 \ rabbits/month$$

and that

$$P(0) = 100 \ rabbits$$

Which is all the info you need to determine P(t)

 cue928 Feb13-11 04:29 PM

Re: ODE Population problem

I appreciate what you wrote but I'm still unsure on where to start. I see that I was wrong to have a p^.5 on the right. Should I go ahead and start separating variables and then moving forward?

 Amok Feb13-11 04:34 PM

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Quote:
 Quote by cue928 (Post 3136105) I appreciate what you wrote but I'm still unsure on where to start. I see that I was wrong to have a p^.5 on the right
OOOPSSS, my mistake. I corrected it in the previous post.

Quote:
 Quote by cue928 (Post 3136105) Should I go ahead and start separating variables and then moving forward?

Of course you should. Even in the case where you shouldn't, equations don't bite you know.

 cue928 Feb13-11 08:23 PM

Re: ODE Population problem

But how do you incorporate the dp/dt = 20 and P(0) = 100? I've done the sep of variables, no problem there. Sitting on 2p^.5 = (alpha)t + C.

 cue928 Feb13-11 08:41 PM

Re: ODE Population problem

Made another attempt at this, can you tell me where I'm going wrong?
I came up with this equation after sep of variables: 2p^.5 = Bt + C.
1) With t = 0 and initial population of 100, I came up with a C value of 100.
2) With t = 1, population = 120, so I came up with a "B" value of 120.
3) But then when I do time = 12, I don't get anywhere near the 484 rabbits that I should have.

 Matterwave Feb13-11 09:22 PM

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Er, did you solve for p in your equation so you have some p(t) on the left side instead of 2p^.5?

 Amok Feb14-11 03:13 AM

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Quote:
 Quote by cue928 (Post 3136461) 2) With t = 1, population = 120, so I came up with a "B" value of 120.
This is wrong. What you have is P'(0) = 20. So use the derivative of P to find B. Do you realize that the rate of change in the population is the derivative of P?

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