Calculating Revolutions and Speed Reduction of a Flywheel

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a solid disc flywheel, focusing on its acceleration, revolutions, and energy reduction during a press operation. The subject area includes rotational dynamics and energy conservation principles.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the number of revolutions during acceleration using angular displacement formulas and questions the correctness of their approach. Some participants suggest alternative methods for calculating revolutions. There is also a discussion on the relationship between torque and kinetic energy, with questions about how to approach the energy reduction aspect of the problem.

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Participants have provided guidance on calculating revolutions and understanding the energy ratio. There is ongoing clarification regarding the relationship between torque and kinetic energy, with some participants exploring the implications of energy loss on the flywheel's speed.

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Hi people.
I wonder if anyone could check a problem I had been set as homework and [possibly point me in the right direction for the second part.

A solid disc flywheel, mass 900kg, 0.75m radius accelerated at 0.8rads/s(sq) from rest to 480 RPM in 63 secs.


a) Calculate the number of revolutions during the acceleration period.
I tried it like this:
used the formula theta = w.t + 1/2.alpha.t(sq)

then once i got the answer in radians divide it all by 2pi to get the revolutions. Is that correct? (252 revs)


on a previous question I calculated the torque to be 202 Nm
This next question is causing me some real problems, if anyone could point me in the right direction i would be gratefull.

d) if 20% of the energy is used during a press operation calculate the reduction in speed (RPM) of the flywheel.

Thanks
Tom
 
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mini670 said:
a) Calculate the number of revolutions during the acceleration period.
I tried it like this:
used the formula theta = w.t + 1/2.alpha.t(sq)

then once i got the answer in radians divide it all by 2pi to get the revolutions. Is that correct? (252 revs)
That's fine. You could also have used the average speed: [itex]\theta = \omega_{ave} \Delta t[/itex].
d) if 20% of the energy is used during a press operation calculate the reduction in speed (RPM) of the flywheel.
The KE of the flywheel is [itex]{KE} = 1/2 I \omega^2[/itex]. So set up a ratio of the energies before and after the press operation and see what happens to [itex]\omega[/itex].
 
Thanks .
I have ahd a look at the problem again and I am still abit puzzeled.
I get the torque before the [press operation to be 202 Nm and after it has dropped to 162 Nm (the 20% drop).
What I am not too sure about is does the torque in Nm equal the KE?

If it does then i can use KE = 1/2.I.w(sq)


If this is not the case i still don't know where to go. I assume the value `I` cannot change.

ohhh hang on right if torque=I.alpha then the torque after operation = I.alpha so if I transpose to find alpha (because i know the new torque) then I can get the new deceleration? I am still not sure about what I have just said above so any advice would help.

Thanks
 
No, the torque does not equal the KE. (Although the units are the same!)

You need not calculate torque to solve this part of the problem. Set up the ratio of the KE before and after:
[tex]{KE}_1/{KE}_2 = \omega_1^2/\omega_2^2[/tex]
Let the ratio be [itex]{KE}_1/{KE}_2 = 1/0.8[/itex], and let [itex]\omega_1[/itex] be the original speed of 480 rpm (no need to worry about units since we are using ratios). Solve for [itex]\omega_2[/itex].
 
Thankyou Doc Al

That has helped loads. I get the new speed to be 429 RPM which .
If I could ask just one more question just to clarify things. I would just tlike you to explain where the "1" comes from in "KE1/KE2 = 1/0.8". Sorry if its obvious. Is it just how ratios are sorted out?
thanks loads for your help. and I am sure that will be it now.
tom
 
mini670 said:
I would just like you to explain where the "1" comes from in "KE1/KE2 = 1/0.8".
No problem. Since KE2 = 0.8 KE1, then KE1/KE2 = KE1/(0.8KE1) = 1/0.8. Let me know if that doesn't make sense.
 
Hi again.
Sorry for being dumb, but I am still not 100% sure.
 

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