D'Alembert/Virtual Work Problem
I have a question with process when using D'Alembert/Virtual Work.
I have the example question: A uniform plank of mass M is leaning against a smooth wall and makes an angle α with the smooth floor. The lower end of the plank is connected to the base of the wall with a massless inextensible string. A monkey of mass m starts climbing on the plank. If the maximum tension force on the string before it breaks is T, up to what maximum height can the monkey climb to? M =mass of plank m = mass of monkey g = force due to gravity 2b = length of plank a = distance monkey is up plank x = length of string, distance between wall and where plank meets floor y = height of center of mass of plank z = height of center of mass of monkey Assuming a static case just before the string breaks we have: x = 2bcosΦ y = bsinΦ z = asinΦ and δW = Tδx + Mgδy + mgδz If I set δW to 0 and take δx, y and z to be the derivatives of x, y and z with respect to Φ I get 0 = MgbcosΦdΦ + mgacosΦdΦ  T2bsinΦdΦ a = (2bTtanΦMgb)/mg Which is a similar process to what I would use in the more simple example without the monkey however I saw this http://imgur.com/FqjZv which seems to take the partial derivatives of each of the independent variables then sum them to get the virtual displacements. That second example then goes on to set each displacement to zero and get equations of motion. In comparison in the first example I simply took the derivative with respect to Φ which solves simply. In the monkey example z has a in it which I think could be seen as an independent variable so: Have I done the monkey question right? In the linked example is the person taking the partials of each θ then adding the results as I suspect? How do I know when/where to use these seemingly different techniques? Thanks. 1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data 2. Relevant equations 3. The attempt at a solution 
Re: D'Alembert/Virtual Work Problem
To answer your first question:
Sum the moments where the cord is attached to the base of the ladder and set it equal to zero. Solve for 'a' and see if you get the same result. 
Re: D'Alembert/Virtual Work Problem
This is the same problem as one where you would ask for the tension in the cord if you specified how far up (a) the plank the monkey went. In this case you would not treat the tension as a variable.

Re: D'Alembert/Virtual Work Problem
Quote:
Quote:

Re: D'Alembert/Virtual Work Problem
It is interesting that you would be taught the method you are using before learning the method I cited. It was quite the opposite when I was an undergraduate. I believe you did the problem correctly because I got the same answer using the method of determining the reaction at the wall, summing moments (torques) and setting to zero since the plank is stationary. This relates distance 'a' to the tension.
Regarding the example you posted, I have not had a chance to give it more than a cursory look. 
All times are GMT 5. The time now is 06:46 AM. 
Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000  2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2014 Physics Forums