What are Cosets? - Understanding & Solving Problems

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The discussion revolves around the concept of left cosets in group theory, specifically within the context of the group U(30) and its subgroup {1, 11}. Participants are exploring the definition and implications of cosets, as well as how to derive them from group elements.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to find left cosets and what they represent. Questions arise regarding the derivation of distinct cosets and the process of using group elements to form these sets.

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Some participants have provided guidance on recognizing that certain sets are equivalent due to the nature of set representation. There is an ongoing exploration of how to identify distinct cosets from the results of a multiplication table.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a specific problem involving U(30) and its subgroup, with a focus on understanding the relationship between group order and the number of cosets.

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so I'm solving problems that tell me to find the left cosets, but I don't really know what they are.

by defn, let G be a group and H a subgp of G.. and let a be an element of G. the set ah for any h in H, denoted by aH is the left coset.

I mean, what does that mean. so for an example problem. find the left cosets of {1, 11} in U(30). So U(30) has order 8, with elements 1 7 11 13 17 19 23 29. By formula, order of G/H equalis the number of left cosets. so 8/2 = 4. meaning we have 4 left cosets. and the book says the cosets are H 7H 13H and 19H.


so exactly why? what are those numbers? how did they derive that?

at first, I thought you just take each element and multiply by H, , so aH = 1H, 3H, 7H...29H,but I guess I was way off.
 
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semidevil said:
at first, I thought you just take each element and multiply by H, , so aH = 1H, 3H, 7H...29H,but I guess I was way off.

I believe that is what you in fact do. But what you should find from using the multiplication table for G is that you get a second repetition of the same four cosets, i.e. you really only have four distinct cosets, not eight.
 
Janitor said:
I believe that is what you in fact do. But what you should find from using the multiplication table for G is that you get a second repetition of the same four cosets, i.e. you really only have four distinct cosets, not eight.


ok, so if I do the multiplication table:

1 * {1, 11} = {(1*1) (1*11)}
7 * {1, 11} = {7*1), (7*11)}
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29 *{1, 11} = {29*1) (29*11)}

and that mod 30,

I get
1, 11
7, 17
11, 1
13, 23
17, 7
19, 29
23, 13
29, 19

I dotn know where the 4 distinct cosets come from
 
To emphasize that your eight rows of pairs are eight sets (which is what a coset is, after all), write them with brackets:

{1, 11}
{7, 17}
{11, 1}
{13, 23}
{17, 7}
{19, 29}
{23, 13}
{29, 19}

Remember that the order that you list the elements in a set doesn't matter; it's the same set. So {1, 11} is the same set as {11, 1}, and so on. So throw out four redundant sets from your list of eight, leaving you with four distinct sets. You were 99% of the way done with the problem where you left off.
 

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