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Dr Bwts Jan25-12 08:48 AM

Isotropic surfaces questions...
 
Hi,

I have the following definition for an isotropic surface: the normals to the measured surface are randomly distributed.

Am I right in thinking the following:

1) The surface of a sphere is isotropic?

2) The surface of a cube is anisotropic?

I think (2) is correct but not sure about (1) well to be honest I not that sure about (2) either!

Thanks to anybody who can put me straight.

Dr B

chiro Jan25-12 09:52 AM

Re: Isotropic surfaces questions...
 
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Quote by Dr Bwts (Post 3726860)
Hi,

I have the following definition for an isotropic surface: the normals to the measured surface are randomly distributed.

Am I right in thinking the following:

1) The surface of a sphere is isotropic?

2) The surface of a cube is anisotropic?

I think (2) is correct but not sure about (1) well to be honest I not that sure about (2) either!

Thanks to anybody who can put me straight.

Dr B

Hey Dr Bwts and welcome to the forums.

When you say randomly distributed are you talking about a uniform distribution?

Dr Bwts Jan25-12 10:08 AM

Re: Isotropic surfaces questions...
 
Hi Chiro,

I dont rightly know. I am reading some papers on morphology and it was one of the easier to understand definitions of an isotropic surface.

Would the angular distribution of exterior surface normals be uniform for a sphere?

chiro Jan25-12 10:13 AM

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Quote by Dr Bwts (Post 3726981)
Hi Chiro,

I dont rightly know. I am reading some papers on morphology and it was one of the easier to understand definitions of an isotropic surface.

Would the angular distribution of exterior surface normals be uniform for a sphere?

Well usually when we something is 'purely random' that it is uniformly distributed since every possible outcome is as likely as everything else. In an information theoretic context, uniform distributions maximize entropy and if entropy is large, that means that its 'hard to compress' information about a specific set of data.

For the sphere, I would imagine that it is indeed isotropic. The way you could start to prove this is by showing that all normal vectors have the same rate of occurence as every other normal vector (in fact this is the general method you would use). By showing this you would have provide isotropy if the distribution is indeed uniform.

Dr Bwts Jan25-12 10:19 AM

Re: Isotropic surfaces questions...
 
Thanks for the reply.

So just so I'm clear, in the case of the cube I would get a distribution that would be orthotropic?

chiro Jan25-12 10:24 AM

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Quote by Dr Bwts (Post 3726998)
Thanks for the reply.

So just so I'm clear, in the case of the cube I would get a distribution that would be orthotropic?

I don't know what means in terms of specifics (type of distribution and what normal vectors are included/allowed). Could you link me or tell me what orthotropic refers to?

Dr Bwts Jan25-12 10:29 AM

Re: Isotropic surfaces questions...
 
Orthotropic - multually perpendicular planes of symmetry (a particular case of anisotropy)

chiro Jan25-12 11:36 PM

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Quote by Dr Bwts (Post 3727023)
Orthotropic - multually perpendicular planes of symmetry (a particular case of anisotropy)

That sounds right but I would just make sure what the definition is.

For a cube if the normals for the edges of the cube are the same as one of the other normals in the set, then that seems to be ok.

Also I think you should clarify the specific nature of a 'random' set. My interpretation is that it includes every possible normal possible within a specific geometry: in this case 3D space corresponds to every unit vector in cartesian 3D space.

For the cube you should also get a uniform distribution but the number of unit normal vectors is countable unlike your sphere example. If we allow that we have any uniform distribution then this would not be anisotropic but if we specified that is to include all possibilities within some certain space, then it would still be anistropic even though each possible unit normal in the cube case is still as likely as the others.

Dr Bwts Jan26-12 04:24 AM

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OK thanks chiron that has been very helpful


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