Magnetic Field & π: Uncovering the Mystery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the constant μ₀ in the context of Ampere's law and its value of 4π × 10⁻⁷. Participants explore the significance of this constant, its relation to the properties of free space, and the appearance of π in its definition.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why μ₀, which is a constant related to the environment, is specifically 4π × 10⁻⁷ and suggests it should relate to microscopic vacuum properties.
  • Another participant explains that μ₀ serves as a conversion factor between tesla and amp-turns per meter, indicating that the factor of 4π arises from SI unit conventions.
  • There is a suggestion that the presence of 4π is linked to the geometry of fields spreading over a spherical area (4πr²) rather than being inherently related to the environment.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between π and μ₀, emphasizing that while π is associated with spheres, μ₀ should not be considered a special number in the same context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the constant μ₀ and its relation to the environment and geometry. There is no consensus on why μ₀ specifically includes the factor of π.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the historical and practical reasons for the definition of μ₀, but there are unresolved questions regarding its implications and the nature of its value in different environments.

Amir H.Saba
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Hi
as you know according to ampere's law ∫B.dl=μ0I
but why μ0 that appears in Maxwell's equations is exactly 4π *10-7 ?
for example in electric field ε0 is 8.85 *10-12
and μ0 like ε0 is a constant that is related to material properties and why this constant is a special number as π that B is special ?
 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi Amir! Welcome to PF! :smile:

From the PF Library on magnetic field …​

What is µ0?

µo is the conversion factor between tesla ([itex]T\ =\ N/A.m[/itex]) and amp-turns per metre ([itex]A/m[/itex]): so it has units of [itex]N/A^2[/itex].

Why isn't µo = 1 N/A2 (so that it needn't be mentioned)? :confused:

well, it would be :smile:, buuuut :rolleyes:

i] in SI units, a factor of 4π keeps cropping up! … so we multiply by 4π :wink:

ii] that would make the amp that current which in a pair of wires a metre apart would produce a force between them of 2 N/m …

which would make most electrical appliances run on micro-amps!

so, for practical convenience only, we make µo 107 smaller, and the amp 107 larger! :biggrin:

(so the amp is that current which in a pair of wires a metre apart would produce a force between them of 2 10-7 N/m, and µo is 4π 10-7 N/A2 (= 4π 10-7 H/m))

(for historical details, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_constant)


(And the electric constant (permittivity of free space), [itex]\varepsilon_o[/itex], is defined as 1/µ0c², = 107/4πc² C²/Nm² (or F/m).)
 
yes, your sentences is true ,but my query is that π is a number that related to sphere.but µo is a constant that related to environment.and why is a special number that has π ?
µo is exactly 4π 10^-7 but if it is a constant about environment , why it is exactly a special number ? I think it should related to microscopic vacuum properties ,if isn't it ,why for other environments µ is not 4π *10^-7 ? and is a other number? but for free space is a special number like π !
sorry for my english is not good.
 
Amir H.Saba said:
yes, your sentences is true ,but my query is that π is a number that related to sphere.but µo is a constant that related to environment.and why is a special number that has π ?

No, µo is not related to the environment.

µo is simply the conversion factor between tesla and amp-turns per metre.

(of course, µ (for a material) is related to the material)

The 4π is a standard factor in SI units, since it naturally relates the strength of a source to its flux (because the field from the source spread out over an area 4πr2 instead of r2).
 

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