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The discussion revolves around the upper limit of star mass, exploring theories and uncertainties regarding why stars may be confined within a certain mass range, particularly between 130 and 200 solar masses. The scope includes theoretical considerations and speculative models related to star formation and stellar dynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an upper limit on star mass, possibly around 200 solar masses, exists but the reasons for this limit are uncertain.
  • One idea suggests that during star formation, excessive mass leads to significant light output, which could drive away surrounding material, thus limiting further growth.
  • Another participant mentions the central star in the Pistol Nebula, which may have had an initial mass of nearly 250 solar masses but has been losing material over time, raising questions about the conditions under which massive stars can form.
  • It is noted that the rate at which material gathers during star formation could influence the maximum mass, with slower accumulation potentially allowing for earlier ignition and the development of strong stellar winds.
  • Photon pressure is highlighted as a factor affecting hydrostatic equilibrium in massive stars, with its sensitivity to optical depth and metallicity being relevant to the discussion of Population III stars and their potential sizes.
  • Participants also mention that the short lifetimes of very massive stars may contribute to their rarity in observation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the upper limit of star mass, with no consensus reached on the specific mechanisms or conditions that define this limit. Multiple competing views remain regarding the factors influencing star mass during formation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions of star formation, the role of photon pressure, and the implications of metallicity, which are not fully resolved. The dependence on specific definitions and the lack of observational evidence for extremely massive stars are also noted.

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I was reading about the greatest mass that stars can have

http://arxiv.org/astro-ph/0501135

it is not 100 percent sure but 200 solar masses looks like an upper bound on the mass
it is also not certain why.

if there is some upper limit, say between 130 and 200 solar mass,
then WHY?

why should stars be confined between this range, whatever it is (say 0.1 solar up to 150 solar).

one idea is that when a star is forming if it gets too big it makes so much light that the light drives away the cloud of material around the star that it is feeding on. I don't know if that is a current theory or not. maybe someone has read up on this
 
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The central star in the Pistol Nebula is estimated to have a radius of about 93M miles (as big as Earth's orbit) and a total energy output 10M times that of the Sun. In this link, it is proposed that the star may have had an initial mass of nearly 250 times that of the Sun, but has been shedding material at a prodigious rate all its life.

http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/pistol.htm


It may be that (in suitable gas-rich regions of space) several hundred solar masses of material can agglomerate before the nuclear furnace at the core ignites and the new star starts driving away other neighboring material. In this model, the rapidity with which the material gathers would be an important constraint on initial mass. If the formative mass gathered very slowly, the star could ignite and form a strong stellar wind before it could get very massive.
 
I think the photon pressure is also important once the star has formed, in that it unsettles the hydrostatic equilbrium, this pressure is also sensitive to the optical depth, at depth in the star, and that is sensitive to the metallicity. Population III stars, the primordial giants that are supposed to have re-ionised the early IGM, would not have had as much/any metallicity(freely coasting or standard LCDM cosmology respectively) and therefore they may have been even larger.

The other reason such large stars are not observed is that their lifetimes are so short, you have to be quick to catch one before it goes supernova!

Garth
 
thanks to both, for the informative posts!
 

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