Can we please look for 'New Earth' at Alpha Centauri?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for discovering Earth-like planets in the Alpha Centauri system, particularly focusing on the scientific implications and feasibility of such a search. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of planetary formation in binary star systems and the practical limitations of current observational technology.

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  • Abdul Ahad expresses optimism about the significance of finding an Earth-like planet in the habitable zone of Alpha Centauri, suggesting it would be a monumental scientific discovery.
  • Warren argues against the pursuit of Earth-like planets in Alpha Centauri, citing the system's trinary nature and the low likelihood of stable orbits for such planets.
  • Another participant counters Warren's skepticism by referencing studies that indicate the possibility of stable planetary orbits around Alpha Centauri A and B, suggesting that these stars could host rocky planets in habitable zones.
  • Warren reiterates his position, emphasizing that the search for planets in Alpha Centauri is unlikely to yield results and that resources would be better spent on more promising targets.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the feasibility and value of searching for Earth-like planets in the Alpha Centauri system. While some advocate for the potential scientific rewards, others challenge the practicality and likelihood of success in such endeavors.

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The discussion reflects differing views on the stability of planetary orbits in binary systems and the effectiveness of current telescopes in resolving distant planets. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of habitability and the criteria for selecting target systems for observation.

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Abdul Ahad wrote:

"A Tiny Ray of Hope in the Eternal Darkness...

Successfully locating an Earth-like planet in the habitable zone around one of the two principal 'suns' of the Alpha Centauri system will surely rank as one of the greatest discoveries in the entire history of science. Such a discovery would indeed be a 'revelation' and far outweigh all the extrasolar planets logged in all the world's scientific journals to date put together!

A thousand Jupiters discovered circling in sub-Mercury orbits around red supergiants hundreds of light years away from Earth hardly stirs the imagination... Yet a single discovery of just *one* Earth-sized planet located within the habitable zones on the nearest cosmic shores beyond our solar system will revolutionise our science forever. "
from the paper:
http://www.astroscience.org/abdul-ahad/extrasolar-planets.htm


how much telescope time does one put on alpha centuri compared to all other stars, i wonder?
 
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Why would anyone want to look for an Earth-like planet around Alpha Centauri? It's a trinary system with two very close components. The likelihood of Earth-like planets here is, in fact, very small.

Even if there were an Earth-like planet there, no existing telescope would have any hope of ever resolving it. There's no point at all in trying. We are much better off spending our time working with the equipment we've got to find the most obvious exosolar planets, rather than devoting an inordinate amount of effort looking at only one implausible system, driven by nothing but romantic hope.

- Warren
 
Not all romantic. Scientifically alpha centuri A and B can hold life bearing planets, proved here ---

"In a binary system, a planet must not be located too far away from its "home" star or its orbit will be unstable. If that distance exceeds about one fifth of the closest approach of the other star, then the gravitational pull of that second star can disrupt the orbit of the planet. Recent numerical integrations, however, suggest that stable planetary orbits exist: within three AUs (four AUs for retrograde orbits) of either Alpha Centauri A or B in the plane of the binary's orbit; only as far as 0.23 AU for 90-degree inclined orbits; and beyond 70 AUs for planets circling both stars (Weigert and Holman, 1997). Hence, under optimal conditions, either Alpha Centauri A and B could hold four inner rocky planets like the Solar System: Mercury (0.4 AU), Venus (0.7 AU), Earth (1 AU) and Mars (1.5 AUs).

Indeed, the AB system may be more than twice (1.3 to 2.3 times) as enriched in elements heavier than hydrogen ("high metallicity") than our own Solar System (Cayrel de Strobel et al, 1991, page 297; Furenlid and Meylan, 1984; and Flannery and Ayres, 1978). Hence, either stars A or B could have one or two "rocky" planets in orbital zones where liquid water is possible. "

Above from:
http://www.solstation.com/stars/alp-cent3.htm

Ahad's virtual bridge already set for 2275 AD launch of first human colony:

http://tinyurl.com/4pjhz
 
My points above stand. You can spend all the time you want dreaming about extraterrestrial life in the A Centauri system, but you're not going to convince anyone with a significant telescope to waste his or her time looking for anything there.

- Warren
 

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