Understanding Circuit Design and Transistor Configurations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit design involving transistors and an op-amp, focusing on understanding the configuration and functionality of these components. Participants explore aspects of current limitation, voltage regulation, and component selection, particularly in the context of practical applications and PCB mounting.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their circuit design, noting the input and output voltages and expressing confusion about the op-amp's role and the transistor configuration.
  • Another participant explains that the op-amp functions as an error amplifier with a feedback loop involving a zener diode and BJTs for over-current protection, but clarifies that the op-amp is not used as a comparator.
  • A participant mentions an update to the circuit and seeks alternative transistor suggestions, indicating that previously suggested transistors resulted in excessive voltage drop.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of selecting a pass transistor with adequate wattage rating to prevent failure under short circuit conditions, suggesting a minimum rating of 1 watt for safety.
  • Another participant acknowledges the heating issue with the current transistor and considers the practicality of using a heat sink while trying to maintain low costs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the circuit design and component selection, with no consensus reached on the best transistor to use or the necessity of a heat sink. The discussion remains unresolved regarding optimal configurations and component choices.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific resistor values and transistor ratings, indicating potential limitations in their designs. The discussion also reflects concerns about component reliability and thermal management without reaching definitive conclusions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in circuit design, transistor applications, and voltage regulation may find this discussion relevant, particularly those working on practical electronics projects or PCB designs.

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Hi guys! Need some help. Attached is a circuit that I designed. The Vin is 7.2V and the Vout (at the load) is 5V. Basically, that's exactly what I wanted!

Anyway - can someone please help me with the understanding of the circuit. I know the basics but I'm a bit stumped on the use of the op-amp (I think it's used for smoothening out the voltage or something) and the configuration of the transistors. I know that the BJTs are used for current limitation but the way they are connected here doesn't make much sense.

Also can someone suggest another type of BJT to use coz I blew the 3904s the first time around!

Thanks :smile:
 

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I assume the base of the top 3904 is connected to the collector of the other transistor. The op-amp is an error amplifier. Normally you see negative feedback in a linear op-amp circuit. It may appear to you that there is no negative feedback in the power supply but look closely. The zener diode sets a reference voltage. Then, the op-amp 'compares' the two inputs and sets the output in the appropriate direction until the two inputs are VERY close together in voltage. The top 3904 is the pass transistor. It is driven by the output of the op-amp through the series resistor. The other transistor is turned off because its base-emitter voltage has not been developed by enough current flowing through R3. So its collector appears as an open circuit. A fraction of the output voltage is fed back to the op-amp for 'comparison'. That is the basic feedback loop. When too much current is drawn by the load, R3 develops enough of a voltage drop to turn on the bottom 3904. The collector of the bottom 3904 now shunting current away from the top 3904 and it is not allowed to pass as much current. This is the over-current protection scheme.

I use the term comparison in this post loosely. In no way is the op-amp being used as a comparator. I just use that term as an attempt to give you a clearer idea of what is going on.
 
Thanks for that! I've attached the updated circuit here. NOTE: on the circuit, a 3.25 resistor is used - it is actually a 4.8 resistor.

Anyway - any suggestions on a different transistor to use? I'm going to mount the circuit on PCB so I don't want components blowing all the time! MJE520s were suggested but they dropped the output boltage a bit too much. Any ideas?? :confused:
 

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Concerning the pass transistor: Determine the maximum wattage that the pass transistor will dissipate. If you want to be able to short the output terminals and not have anything blow up you will dissipate 7 volts x about .15 amps or about a watt. .15 amps is the most that the overcurrent protection will allow to pass. But, if you don't have a transistor that is rated at a minimum of 1 watt then you will blow it up if you short the supply output. Obviously you will need a transistor capable of passing .15 amps regardless of whether you want it to hold up under short circuit conditions or not. If you want to make the supply start shutting down at a lower current increase the value of the 4.8 ohm resistor.
 
Thanks for that. The max wattage for the 3904 is 625mW and at the moment it's handling the circuit - only it is heating up under short circuit conditions. I think I'll keep it in though what about using a transistor with a heat sink - just for safety sake or will that be impractical cost wise (I'm trying to keep the circuit cost down to a minimum - after all this is engineering :smile: )
 

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