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The discussion centers around the accuracy and reliability of radiometric dating, particularly in the context of claims made by creationist sources regarding the dating of rocks from Mount Saint Helens. Participants explore various aspects of radiometric dating techniques, potential errors, and the implications of these claims on the understanding of geological time scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references an article claiming that radiometric dating is highly inaccurate, citing dates for Mount Saint Helens lava dome ranging from 0.05 to 2.8 million years, and suggests the possibility of sampling older surrounding rocks.
  • Another participant notes that the article acknowledges the potential for argon-40 to be incorporated into newly formed minerals, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the "newness" of the rock.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the extent of inaccuracy claimed by creationists, arguing that while radiometric dating can have errors, it is not to the degree suggested that would drastically alter the age of the Earth.
  • A participant provides a link to a resource claiming that the methods used in the creationist arguments are misapplied, particularly highlighting issues with sample homogeneity and the inapplicability of certain measurement techniques for younger samples.
  • It is mentioned that different radiometric dating methods are suited for different age ranges and sample types, implying that using an inappropriate method does not invalidate radiometric dating as a whole.
  • One participant humorously connects the arguments against radiometric dating to the rarity of ancient pottery artifacts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the reliability of radiometric dating, with some supporting its general accuracy while others question specific claims made by creationists. There is no consensus on the validity of the arguments presented by the creationist sources, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these claims.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the application of radiometric dating methods, including issues of sample selection, potential contamination, and the appropriateness of different dating techniques for various geological contexts. These factors contribute to the ongoing debate about the accuracy of radiometric dating.

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http://www.creationism.org/articles/swenson1.htm

This article suggests that radioactive dating is horribly innacurate, and says that dating the recent rocks of the 80's Mount Saint Helens lava dome gives dates ranging from 0.05-2.8 million years of age.

I'm no expert on radiometric dating techniques, so the only explanation I can think of would be they accidentally sampled older rocks surrounding the recent dome.

Has this issue been seriously adressed and debunked before?
 
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Im actually surprised that site presents counter arguments to their own claim. They state:
"A good possibility is that solidification of magma does not reset the radioisotope clock to zero. Probably some argon-40 is incorporated from the start into newly formed minerals giving the "appearance" of great age. "

Which is the first thing that popped into my head. Where's the literature describing the effects of state transformation of the atomic composition of lava? You cannot assume the rock is "new" just because it turned solid.
 
As far as i know, radiometric dating can be somewhat inacurate, but nowhere near the 1.000.000% that is needed to change the date of the Earth from 4.500.000.000 years to 6000 years. (or 3.5 billion yr old rocks to 6000yrs)
 
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http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD013_1.html

...sent his samples to a laboratory that clearly states that their equipment cannot accurately measure samples less than two million years old. All of the measured ages but one fall well under the stated limit of accuracy, so the method applied to them is obviously inapplicable. Since Austin misused the measurement technique, he should expect inaccurate results, but the fault is his, not the technique's. Experimental error is a possible explanation for the older date.

...samples were not homogeneous, as he himself admitted. Any xenocrysts in the samples would make the samples appear older (because the xenocrysts themselves would be old). A K-Ar analysis of impure fractions of the sample, as Austin's were, is meaningless.

Of course, creationists neglect this bit of info in their rhetoric.
 
Different radiodating methods are used for different age-ranges and sample types. Using the wrong method is no proof against radiodating in general.
 
Pffft. The creationist radiodating arguments help me understand why ancient pottery artifacts are so rare.
 

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