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The discussion revolves around the problem of demonstrating the irreducibility of a polynomial in two variables over the complex numbers, specifically within the context of unique factorization domains. Participants explore various approaches and criteria for establishing irreducibility, including algebraic properties and specific examples.

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  • One participant seeks assistance in proving the irreducibility of a polynomial of two variables over the complex numbers.
  • Another participant suggests that polynomials of degree greater than 1 may not be irreducible, which is challenged by a third participant who provides a counterexample.
  • A participant proposes that proving C[x, y] / (f) is not an integral domain would indicate that (f) is not prime, thus showing irreducibility.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the conditions under which C[x, y] / (f) would not be an integral domain, specifically the need for two non-zero polynomials whose product is a multiple of f.
  • Another participant notes that if two polynomials g and h are not both functions of x alone or both functions of y alone, then their product will contain terms of both variables, which is relevant to the irreducibility argument.
  • A remark is made about a criterion for irreducibility based on non-singularity, involving the absence of common roots with the polynomial's partial derivatives.
  • The principle of Bézout's theorem is mentioned as a theoretical underpinning for the irreducibility criterion, although it is acknowledged that this criterion is not necessary and may fail in some cases.
  • An example is provided to illustrate the process of homogenizing a polynomial to check for irreducibility, specifically using the polynomial x^3 + y^3 + 1.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions for irreducibility, with some proposing specific criteria while others challenge or refine these ideas. The discussion remains unresolved regarding a definitive approach to proving irreducibility.

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Participants acknowledge that the irreducibility of polynomials can be complex and that certain criteria may not be sufficient or necessary. The discussion highlights the nuanced nature of the topic, with various assumptions and conditions influencing the arguments presented.

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I'm trying to show that a polynomial of two variables is irreducible over a unique factorization domain, namely the complex numbers, but I don't know where to begin. Any help is appreciated, thanks
 
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What's the polynomial?

My guess is that if the polynomial is of degree greater than 1, then it is not irreducible.
 
That's not true. For example, x^2+y.

Anyways, one thing you can try is proving C[x, y] / (f) is not an integral domain, which means (f) is not prime, and f has factors.

Er, I misread -- you want to prove it is irreducible. So, you just want to prove (f) is prime, which is true iff C[x, y]/(f) is an integral domain!
 
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Shoot.

Now is showing that C[x,y]/(f) is not an integral domain would involve having two equivalence classes of polynomials
[g] and [h] whose product is the zero class which is [f]. So does that mean find g and h such that their product is a multiple of f? Oh and [g] and [h] can't be [0]=[f], so neither g nor h can be a multiple of f.
 
the polynomial
 
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Note that if g and h
(i) aren't both functions of x alone
and
(ii) aren't both functions of y alone

Then gh has x^m y^n terms with m, n > 0.
 
remark: an open dense set of all polynomials of given degree consists of irreducible ones.

a nice criterion for irreducibility of polynomials of two variables is "non singularity".


i.e. if a polynomial f(x,y) has no roots in common with its two partials fx, and fy, and ifn this is also true for both alternative dehomogenizatrions of f, i.e. if it is also true at "infinity", then f is irreduible.

to find another dehomogenization of f, write f(x,y) as f(u/w,v/w) and multiply by w^d where d is the degree of f. this gives the homogeneous version of f, as as homogeneoius polynomial in three variables.

then to dehomogenize f again, just set either u, v, or w equal to 1. for example note that setting w equal to one gives back the original f.

it would also suffice to check that the three partials of the homogenous version have no common zeros except for (0,0,0).


the principle behind this criterion is "bezout's theorem". i.e. if a polynomial is reducible, then its set of zeroes has two components which must meet in the extended plane, at a point where the partials must vanish.

of course this criterion is not necessary and hence often fails. since many singular polynomials are also irreducible. in general irreducibility is hard to check.


example: to prove that x^3 + y^3 + 1 is irreducible, we homogeneize it as

[(u/w)^3 + (v/w)^3 + 1] w^3 = u^3 + v^3 + w^3.

The three partials are 3u^2, 3v^2, and 3w^2, which have only the common zero (0,0,0).
 
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