Interpreting Spectra for Jupiter's Rotational Speed

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The discussion centers on interpreting spectral data to calculate the rotational speed of Jupiter. Participants explore the implications of Doppler shifts in the observed spectra, particularly in the context of sunlight reflected off Jupiter and the challenges in visualizing these shifts in the data presented.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about interpreting the spectral data and the Doppler shift, suggesting that they expect to calculate velocity using a formula based on wavelength change.
  • Another participant explains that the orientation of the slit in the spectrum should show slanted lines due to the rotation of Jupiter's atmosphere, indicating a positive and negative Doppler shift at different ends of the slit.
  • A participant questions the visibility of the Doppler shift in the spectrum and expresses curiosity about the unusually bright reference line.
  • There is a request for clarification on the identity of the central line in the spectrum to better understand the observed features.
  • One participant shares a link to an example of a spectrum affected by rotation, suggesting it may help illustrate the concept.
  • Another participant provides the full spectrum in the near IR range and asks if any Doppler shift can be observed, noting that the spectrum should be compared to the solar spectrum.
  • Some participants clarify that while sunlight reflected off Jupiter is the primary source of the observed light, some near-IR light may be emitted from Jupiter itself, with additional absorption features possibly arising from its atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the visibility of the Doppler shift and the interpretation of the spectral lines. There is no consensus on whether a Doppler shift can be clearly identified in the provided data.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in resolution and the difficulty in discerning shifts due to the scale of the spectrum. There are unresolved questions regarding the identity of specific spectral lines and the exact nature of the observed features.

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I got a spectra I need to interpret. It is used to calculate the rotational speed of Jupiter. However, altough the computer indicates the doppler shift, I don't see anything (see photograph). I wonder if anyone could enlighten my stalled mind? :smile:

I suppose when I figure out the wavelength change I just plug it into the doppler formula and get the velocity? (12.66 km/s from data table)
 

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What you're seeing is frequency in the horizontal direction and position along the slit in the vertical direction. I don't know which lines you're looking at, but based on the orientation of the slit, you'd expect them to be slanted by the rotation of the planet's atmosphere. That is, at one end of the slit you'll have a velocity away from your line of sight and, therefore, a positive Doppler shift. At the other end, the atmosphere would be moving towards you, so it would exhibit a negative shift. The net result would be a line slanted from one direction to the other. Unfortunately, the resolution of their spectrum is very small. At 12.66 km/s, you'd expect a shift of order:

[tex]\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}=v/c=4.22 \times 10^{-5}[/tex]

If your spectrum is in the visible, then you're probably looking at wavelengths of order 5000 angstroms, so you should see a shift of about 0.2 angstroms. However, if the scale they list on the image is to be believed, then each pixel represents 1 angstrom and it would be hard to see the slant of the line. How many pixels are there per resolution element?
 
By looking at the picture, can you see directly that a doppler shift have taken place? I don't get why the reference line is unusually bright :confused:
 
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By looking at the picture, can you see directly that a doppler shift have taken place? I don't get why the reference line is unusually bright :confused:

No, I can't, that's what I was saying. Do you happen to know the identity of the central line? I can't comment without knowing that. By the way, http://www.astro.columbia.edu/~archung/research/CRdisk/Images/example.jpg an example of a line twisted by rotation (this time with the spectrum in the vertical direction).
 
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ok here is the full spectrum in the near IR range. It's some odd lines on the left hand side, do you happen to see any doppler shift?

If i understand correctly, this is sunlight reflected off Jupiter, which means that if there is ant shift, it should be relative to the solar spectrum? :confused:
 

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ok here is the full spectrum in the near IR range. It's some odd lines on the left hand side, do you happen to see any doppler shift?

No, but I still can't tell the wavelength range.


If i understand correctly, this is sunlight reflected off Jupiter, which means that if there is ant shift, it should be relative to the solar spectrum? :confused:

Some of the near-IR light would be emitted from Jupiter, but most of what you're seeing is reflected, that's right. Some of the absorption may also be from Jupiter's atmosphere.
 

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