Which of the Strong Acids is The Strongest: HCl, HClO4, HNO3, H2SO4?

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The discussion revolves around the comparative strength of various strong acids, specifically HCl, HClO4, HNO3, and H2SO4. Participants explore the factors influencing acid strength, including bond energies and dissociation tendencies, while also considering additional acids and their classifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why HCl is considered the strongest hydrohalic acid despite the lower bond energy of heavier halides like HBr and HI.
  • Another participant proposes an order of acid strength: HI > HBr > HCl > HNO3 > H2SO4 >> HF.
  • There is a discussion about perchloric acid (HClO4) being the strongest acid among those listed, with a rationale based on the size of the anion affecting bond strength and dissociation.
  • Some participants suggest that there are more than four strong acids, including HBr, HI, and potentially permanganic acid (HMnO4), while others reference a chemistry textbook that lists only four strong acids.
  • One participant notes that sulfuric acid is strong primarily in its first dissociation step, with a weaker second dissociation.
  • Discussion includes the idea that HF is an exception due to its strong bond outweighing its ionic character, affecting its acidity.
  • Additional acids like chromic acid and chlorsulphonic acid are mentioned as potentially strong, though their classification may depend on specific conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the ranking of acid strengths and the classification of strong acids, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

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Some claims about acid strength depend on specific conditions, such as dissociation steps and solvent effects, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Which of the strong acids: [tex]HCl , HClO_4, HNO_3, H_2 SO_4[/tex] is THE strongest?

HCl is a strong acid. HF is weaker (high bond energy of H-F single bond). Why then, are HBr and HI weaker than HCl as well? I mean, there is a lower bond energy between hydrogen and heavier halides (less electronegative than lighter halides) and much greater electron density away from the acidic hydrogen with heavier halides. Why then, is HCl the strongest hydrohalic acid? (does it satisfy a certain balance between bond energy and some other factors?)
 
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The correct order of strength for the acids listed is:
HI > HBr > HCl > HNO3 > H2SO4 >> HF
 
Hmm--isn't perchloric acid a strong acid?

So HI and HBr are stronger acids than HCl?
 
bomba923 said:
Hmm--isn't perchloric acid a strong acid?

So HI and HBr are stronger acids than HCl?
Oooops, I forgot to put it in. HClO4 is the strongest one there. The strength of the hydrohalic acids increases with the size of the anion. That makes sense--a bigger atom means less tightly bound electrons in the outer shell, a weaker bond and higher tendency to dissociate. HF is much less strong than the other, because of the small size of F.
 
So basically, there are really six strong acids: [tex]HCl , HClO_4, HNO_3 , H_2 SO_4 , HBr , HI[/tex]

Right?
 
That's right.As a general rule,monoprotic acids are the strongest.U missed the permanganic...:wink:

Daniel.
 
Seven strong acids then: [tex]HCl , HClO_4, HNO_3 , H_2 SO_4 , HBr , HI , HMnO_4 {?}[/tex]

Interesting. My chemistry book (Zumdahl, 4th Ed) mentions only four strong acids: [tex]HCl , HClO_4, HNO_3 , H_2 SO_4[/tex] . And I used to think HCl was the strongest hydrohalic acid, until now: when I see the HBr and HI as well.
 
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Chromic acid has the same (electronic) structure of chemical bonds as the sulphuric one,but only checking into a table for first acidity constants would tell you if you can add it to your list...

Chlorsulphonic acid is strong,too.

Daniel.
 
Some of pKa values for strong acids are here:

http://www.chembuddycom/?left=BATE&right=dissociation_constants

and some are here:

pKa for HI = 10
pKa for HBr = 9

The most important remark I have is the fact that sulfuric acid is strong only if we are talking about first dissociation step. Second is a rather weak one, with pKa = 2.


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Usually the first element in any group is an exception in regards to the chemical trends pertaining to that group.

acidity is related to two factors (perhpas three, one which I do not know of); the polairity or the degree of ionic character between the electronegative atom and hydrogen (that is the more hydrogen resembles the its cation in transition state) and the strength of the bond between the two.

From what I remember, HF is an exception, in that while there is the greatest degree of ionic character, it is outweighed by the strength of the bond.
 
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dextercioby said:
...Chlorsulphonic acid is strong,too.

Daniel.
Of course, not in water solution; it decomposes into HCl & H2SO4. Do a web search on "magic acid"! Also, the haloacetic acids (like trichloroacetic acid, Cl3CCOOH) are pretty strong, too.
 

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