Ionic Form of KI + H2O Reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reaction of potassium iodide (KI) with water (H2O) and its products in ionic form. Participants explore various aspects of the reaction, including potential products, oxidation-reduction processes, and the role of hydroxide ions and iodine.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the reaction produces potassium oxide (K2O) and hydrogen iodide (HI) in ionic form, while others suggest the formation of hydroxide ions and molecular iodine (I2).
  • There is a discussion about coefficients in a balanced redox reaction, with participants questioning who is oxidized and who is reduced.
  • One participant mentions that the presence of hydroxide ions causes a pink precipitate and that starch turns blue in the presence of iodine.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the presence of O(2-) in solution, asserting that it should not be present.
  • There is confusion regarding the nature of the precipitate, with participants clarifying that it is phenolphthalein.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of potassium's reaction with water, questioning whether it acts as a spectator ion or participates in the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the products of the reaction or the details of the redox processes involved. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the reaction and the correct interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the specific products formed in the reaction and the conditions under which the reaction occurs. Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and roles of various ions and compounds involved.

airheadan
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We need to know what the products of KI + H2O in ionic form.
 
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The reaction should be

[tex]2KI+H_{2}O\rightleftharpoons K_{2}O+2HI[/tex]

which in ionic form

[tex]2K^{+}+2I^{-}+H^{+}+OH^{-}\rightleftharpoons 2K^{+}+O^{2-}+2H^{+}+2I^{-}[/tex]

I don't see any redox here...

Daniel.
 
THe labis on oxidation reduction. It says that ppt turns pink in the presence of hyrdroxide ions and the starch will turn black/blue in the presence of molecular iodine. We figured that this meant that in the equation that this meant in the products their will be a hydroxide ions and an I molecule. We thought that the answer you gave us was right but our teacher said that we were closer when we showed him KI + H2O--> OH + K + I2 + H
 
Yes,i didn't think of that option.There it is.Can u find the coefficients by accomplishing the electron transfer ?

[tex]aK^{+}+bI^{-}+cH^{+}+dOH^{-}\rightleftharpoons eK^{+}+fOH^{-}+gI_{2}+h H_{2}\uparrow[/tex]

Daniel.
 
yeah we should be able to, um what are the a,b,c,d,e,f,g for?
 
Coefficents,like 1,2,1/2,3/2,3.

So who's getting oxidated and who's getting reduced...?

Daniel.
 
umm I haven't done it yet;P
 
It's not funny.If u haven't done redox reactions in school,why do you bother with this problem...?:rolleyes:

Daniel.
 
Me thinks something is a miss here. Was it hydroxide or peroxide ?
 
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it was hydroxide
 
  • #11
airheadan said:
THe labis on oxidation reduction. It says that ppt turns pink in the presence of hyrdroxide ions and the starch will turn black/blue in the presence of molecular iodine.

OK what is ppt ?
 
  • #13
the ppt is phenalthailene...and the reaction is K + I + H2O --> KOH + I + H
 
  • #14
teacher said that we were closer when we showed him KI + H2O--> OH + K + I2 + H

Alright, I would imagine that this is a simple dissociation reaction, [tex]KI_{(s)}+H_2O \rightarrow K^{+}_{(aq)}+I^{-}_{(aq)}[/tex]

The starch test will not work without molecular iodide however, I2. You'll need both I2 and I-, for the iodine complex involving I3-.
 
  • #15
airheadan said:
the ppt is phenalthailene...and the reaction is K + I + H2O --> KOH + I + H

OK I'm highly dyslexic, but did you mean phenolphthalein ? There still is something a miss here (like what would oxidize the I-).
 
  • #16
K + I + H2O --> KOH + I + H

potassium reacts with water? Never actually encountered this before, I though it would be a spectator ion. I've read about this and it seems that KI is dissolved in water to provide I-, subsequently I2 is added to form I3-, which can form complexes with starch conterparts to form a colored solution.

I'm somewhat sensitive about the way some high schools deal with redox reactions as at times they are completely misleading and inaccurate. I've had a post in my forum a couple of months ago regarding a high school chemistry competition of which one of the answers provided turned out to be completely inaccurate. I couple of students decided to seek help online for references and quotes.
 

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