What Determines the Strength of a Conjugate Acid-Base Pair?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the factors determining the strength of conjugate acid-base pairs, particularly in the context of identifying the weakest conjugate base among a list of acids and understanding the relationship between acid strength and conjugate base strength. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and exploratory reasoning related to acid-base definitions and dissociation constants.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the strength of an acid inversely correlates with the strength of its conjugate base, suggesting that stronger acids yield weaker conjugate bases.
  • One participant questions the validity of the definitions provided for acid-base pairs, arguing that none of the options satisfy the criteria for neutralization or proton count.
  • Another participant asserts that HCl is the strongest acid among the listed options, implying that its conjugate base, Cl-, would be the weakest.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of proton count in defining acid-base pairs, with some participants stating it is irrelevant.
  • A participant provides mathematical expressions related to acid dissociation constants (Ka) and conjugate base dissociation constants (Kb), reinforcing the relationship between acid strength and conjugate base strength.
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether bond polarity is a factor in determining the strength of acids and bases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of acid-base pairs and the relevance of proton count, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain. While there is some agreement on the relationship between acid strength and conjugate base strength, the discussion does not reach a consensus on the definitions or the specific examples provided.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of acid-base pairs and the specific criteria for determining the weakest conjugate base among the listed acids. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the relevance of bond polarity in acid-base strength.

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Uggh finally did all the chem problems and studied for the upcoming final but there are 2 questions left unanswered. MAybe someone can help me out with this:

If given a lists of acids, how would one know which 1 is the weakest conjugate base? For example, HF, HNO_2, H_2CO_3, H_3BO_3, HCl, which 1 would be it? I didn't know to solve for it.

Also, a conjudate acid-base pair consists of two substances that:

-differ by 1 proton
-neutralize each other
-have equal number of protons
-satisfy oth definition
or
-none

BY eliminationg all the choices, i concluded that its none but I'm still not sure.
 
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The stronger the acid the weaker the conjugate base. It works both sides - the stronger the base, the weaker the conujgate acid.

For every answer eliminated, explain why, so that we can point you to your error.
 
I think it's none because none of the options with the definition of an acid-base pair. They obviously don't neutralize each other and the number of protons in this case is irrelevant. That's what i think anyway. Am i right?
 
i dunno, i would imagine that HCl is the strongest acid and therefore Cl- would be the weakest conjugate base.
 
Dooh said:
the number of protons in this case is irrelevant

Write down any pair of acid and conjugate base.
 
Borek said:
The stronger the acid the weaker the conjugate base. It works both sides - the stronger the base, the weaker the conujgate acid.

For every answer eliminated, explain why, so that we can point you to your error.


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Why is it so? can please give me the reason that why the conjugate base of an strong acid is weak?

When we define a strong acid (or base), we say that it is an acid (or base) which ionizes to a higher extent in acquous solution. What is the reason that it does so? Is the polarity of its bonds that causes the ionization?
 
acid dissociation:

[tex]HA \leftrightarrow H^+ + A^-[/tex]

acid dissociation constant:

[tex]Ka = \frac {[H^+][A^-]}{[HA]}[/tex]

conjugated base dissociation:

[tex]A^- + H_2O \leftrightarrow HA + OH^-[/tex]

conjugated base dissociation constant:

[tex]Kb = \frac {[HA][OH^-]}{[A^-]}[/tex]

water dissociation:

[tex]H_2O \leftrightarrow H^+ + OH^-[/tex]

water dissociation constant:

[tex]Kw = [H^+][OH^-][/tex]

and now Ka*Kb:

[tex]Ka Kb = \frac {[H^+][A^-]}{[HA]} \frac {[HA][OH^-]}{[A^-]} = <br /> [H^+][OH^-] = Kw[/tex]

In other words (or symbols):

[tex]pKa + pKb = pKw[/tex]

The stronger the acid, the weaker the conjugated base.
 
Thanks! this answers my first question, now what about the second one: Is it the polarity of bonds that characterizes a strong acid or base or something else? what is that?

Dooh! please forgive me if I'm HACKING your thread... :biggrin:
 

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