Question about exploding neutron stars

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The discussion revolves around the conditions and time scales related to neutron stars in binary systems, particularly focusing on mass transfer processes that could lead to the explosion of a neutron star or its transformation into a black hole. Participants explore the dynamics of mass transfer, energy emissions, and the visual phenomena associated with these processes.

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  • One participant inquires about the necessary orbital and mass conditions for a companion star to siphon mass from a neutron star, leading to the neutron star's potential explosion.
  • Another participant suggests that the neutron star typically accretes mass from its companion, which is often a red giant, and that this process can lead to a supernova event when a critical mass is reached.
  • A different participant references a general relativity (GR) text that states a neutron star can become unstable and explode if it loses mass to a binary partner, while also noting that it can become a black hole if it accretes mass from its companion.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of a neutron star losing mass to a companion star due to its extreme density and surface gravity, with one participant expressing skepticism about the possibility of mass transfer from a neutron star to any type of companion other than another neutron star or black hole.
  • There is a clarification that Type Ia supernovae are associated with white dwarfs, not neutron stars, and that specific conditions regarding the composition of the white dwarf are necessary for this type of explosion.
  • Participants discuss the energy emissions resulting from mass transfer, speculating on whether the emitted radiation would be in the X-ray range or visible spectrum, and how the mass might visually spiral away from the neutron star.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of mass transfer in binary systems involving neutron stars, with some asserting that neutron stars typically accrete mass while others question the feasibility of mass loss from neutron stars. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions and processes involved.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made about the mass transfer processes and the specific types of companion stars involved. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and conditions under which neutron stars may lose or gain mass.

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I have a question about the time scale for a certain type occurrence causing a neturon star to explode, and a related question about the conditions of this occurrence.

If you have a binary star system with one of the stars being a neutron star, I read that if the other star sucks off enough mass from the neutron star then the NS won't have enough mass to hold itself together and will explode violently from internal pressure.

I'm interested first in what would be required in terms of orbits and relative masses for the other star to suck off mass from the neutron star instead of the other way around (thus forming, eventually, a black hole in the opposite process).

And also over what kind of time scale this might occur. By time scale I mean assume you had a sattelite probe in the system watching both stars and collecting data. What is the time evolution of the process starting with when the probe stats to notice matter flowing from the neutron star to the partner star?

As a side question, will this flow of mass give off extra energy? I assume the gas will be super heated and so give off high energy photons (Xray and higher, like the neutron star itself?), or will it glow more in the visible?

Given how fast a neutron star is likely to be rotating, how would this even "look"? Would the mass spiral out from the star in ever larger turns until it reached the partners star sucking it up?

Thanks.
 
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If you have a binary star system with one of the stars being a neutron star, I read that if the other star sucks off enough mass from the neutron star then the NS won't have enough mass to hold itself together and will explode violently from internal pressure.
I believe you misread the description. The neutron star is sucking mass from its companion (usually a red giant). At some point it reaches a certain critical mass and goes supernova. This is the scenario to produce Type Ia supernova, which is an extremely bright standard candle. Studying these SN's has led to the conclusion the expansion of the universe is accelerating.
 
In the GR book I read it says that if a neutron star loses mass (the only way it mentions this can happen is to a binary partner) then it can pass the critical threshhol where the pressure is greater than the gravity and it becomes unstable and explodes.

It also says that if it is the neutron star that sucks mass from the binary partner, than it will eventually pass the threshold in the other direction and become a black hole.

It also says the neutron stars are the result of a supernova ... they are what's left after a star explodes (or "bounces" off the neutron star core that forms).
 
mathman said:
This is the scenario to produce Type Ia supernova, which is an extremely bright standard candle.
Actually, a Type Ia supernova only comes when a White Dwarf, not a neutron star, accretes matter from a companion. There are some more specifics required such as the exact carcon/oxygen composition of the WD, etc. but even in accreting white dwarf stars this (Type Ia) is very rare.

gonzo said:
In the GR book I read it says that if a neutron star loses mass (the only way it mentions this can happen is to a binary partner) then it can pass the critical threshhol where the pressure is greater than the gravity and it becomes unstable and explodes.
I have read a lot of books and papers on stellar evolution and have never heard of neutron stars losing mass to any companion star. At that huge density and surface gravity I can't think of any type of companion star that could pull mass off of a neutron star other than another neutron star or black hole, where it is possible according to one theory. But, since the surface of a neutron star is a shell of (usually) iron of extreme density, with a neutron "superfluid" inside there is no atmosphere to be lost to even a dense companion.

gonzo said:
It also says that if it is the neutron star that sucks mass from the binary partner, than it will eventually pass the threshold in the other direction and become a black hole.

It also says the neutron stars are the result of a supernova ... they are what's left after a star explodes (or "bounces" off the neutron star core that forms).
This part is exactly as described in most sources. If the neutron star passes ~3.2 solar masses by accreting matter it would collapse directly to a black hole.
 
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