Chemical influence on atomic decays.

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The discussion centers on the influence of chemical environments on atomic decay rates, particularly in relation to nuclear processes such as alpha, beta, and electron capture decays. Participants explore the implications of a paper that suggests chemical interactions may affect these decay rates, challenging the established view that nuclear decay is unaffected by atomic changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight that nuclear decay rates have traditionally been considered constant and unaffected by chemical changes, citing historical perspectives and experimental evidence.
  • Others argue that electron capture rates are influenced by the atomic wave function of electrons, suggesting that changes in chemical environments could indeed affect decay rates.
  • A participant mentions that the paper implies a connection between chemical impacts on decay rates and the pursuit of Cold Fusion, raising questions about the validity and implications of this research.
  • There is a suggestion that while chemical impacts may not be sufficient for Cold Fusion, they could play a role in catalyzing ordinary nuclear reactions.
  • One participant notes that the article explicitly discusses electron capture and references earlier work from 1947, indicating that the authors may also be considering alpha and beta decay processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which chemical changes can influence nuclear decay rates. While some acknowledge the possibility of such effects, others maintain that the traditional view of constant decay rates remains largely unchallenged. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the implications of the paper's claims.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the historical context of nuclear decay research and the potential biases within the physics community regarding the influence of chemical interactions. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the relationship between atomic and nuclear processes, with unresolved questions about the magnitude of chemical effects.

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Interesting paper:

Enhancement Mechanisms of Low Energy Nuclear
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Gareev F.A., Zhidkova I.E.
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1. Nuclear processes have characteristic energies ≈ 1 MeV, whereas chemistry has a few eV per atom, molecules have a part of eV. The inner atomic shells are bound with many keV in the medium and heavy elements.

2.The localization of electrons in atoms is ≈ [tex]10^{-8}[/tex] cm, whereas the localization of nucleons in nuclei is ≈ [tex]10^{-13}[/tex] cm.

Therefore, the nucleus should be unaffected by superficial atomic changes: nuclear processes should not be influenced by the surroundings. The constancy of nuclear decay rates was firmly established, confirming evidences from experimental studies of [tex]\alpha[/tex]- and [tex]\beta[/tex]-decays and theoretical estimations.

The constancy of nuclear decay rates acquired the strength as a classical law. Any papers contradicting this law were ignored by all the scientific journals as erroneous ones.

The history of science has own laws. The ground of the [tex]\beta[/tex]-decay of nuclei was given by E. Fermi in 1934 year. It was very easy to prove that certain processes of radioactive decay should be intimately connected with the presence of atomic electrons and may be affected by the changes in the electronic structure produced by chemical compounds. It took 13 years to understand this very simple phenomenon. The possibility of altering the decay rate of Be7 was suggested in 1947 by Segre [8] and by Dodel [9, 10]. In the case of electron- capture decays the decay rate is directly related to the density of atomic electrons in the nucleus and the effects of different chemical environments should be measurable.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/0505/0505021.pdf

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Carl
 
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You write as if this is a radical idea. It has been clear from almost the start (well, 1947) that electron capture rates depend on the electron's atomic wave function. Why would anyone doubt that altering atomic wave functons woudn't affect capture? Are you or the authors referring to other decay processes?
 
CarlB is just quoting from the introduction, not speaking for himself so "You write as if" is not really appropo. The article itself goes on to suggest that chemical impacts on nuclear decay rates could provide a gateway to Cold Fusion, and that this line of research has by systemically suppressed by the bias within the physics community against chemical interactions impacting decay rates.

The real question is whether a modest chemical impact on decay rates is enough to get you to Cold Fusion. I'm inclined to think that it is many orders of magnitude insufficient, but that chemical impacts might be useful in catalyzing ordinary nuclear reactions.
 
I supposse the authors are asking for beta and alpha decay too. The case for electron capture is explicitly named in page 2 of the article, including the year 1947 article of Segre.
 

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