Field Acceleration: Gravitational, Magnetic & Electric Fields

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of gravitational, magnetic, and electric fields, specifically focusing on the nature of their respective field vectors and the forces they exert. Participants explore the differences in how these forces relate to mass and charge, and the mathematical representations involved.

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  • One participant questions whether the magnitudes of the magnetic field vector (\vec{B}) and electric field vector (\vec{E}) are equivalent to the accelerations due to their respective fields, similar to how gravitational field vector (\vec{G}) relates to gravitational acceleration (g).
  • Another participant asserts that gravity is different because the force on a mass is proportional to the mass, leading to a "constant" value for gravitational acceleration.
  • It is noted that in electricity, the force is proportional to the charge, suggesting a different relationship compared to gravity.
  • A participant elaborates on the gravitational force equation, providing a detailed derivation of the gravitational field strength (G) and its dependence on mass and distance, while also mentioning variations in G due to the Earth's shape.
  • Discussion includes the Lorentz force equation, which describes how electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields produce force, and mentions the complexities of acceleration in special relativity (SR).

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Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational versus electromagnetic forces, with no consensus reached on the initial question regarding the equivalence of field magnitudes and accelerations.

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Participants highlight the dependence of gravitational acceleration on mass and distance, and the implications of the Earth's shape on the uniformity of gravitational strength. The discussion also touches on the complexities introduced by special relativity in the context of electromagnetic forces.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying physics, particularly in the areas of classical mechanics and electromagnetism, as well as individuals exploring the nuances of force interactions in different fields.

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the magnitude of the gravitational field vector, [tex]\vec{G}[/tex], is equal to g at that point. does that mean that magnitudes of [tex]\vec{B}[/tex] and [tex]\vec{E}[/tex] are equal to the acceleration due to magnetism and electric fields, respectively, at a point?
 
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no.
gravity is different, since the force acting on a mass is proportional to the mass, thus you get a "constant".
 
with electricity, the force is proportional to the charge.
 
When you write down the equation for the gravitational force you get :

[tex]\frac {Amm'}{r^2}[/tex]

A is the universal gravitational constant, m amd m' the two masses and r is the distance between those two masses. The above formula is ofcourse the component of the interaction along the axis that connects the two masses.

Now write this force as [tex]mG[/tex] then [tex]G = \frac {Am'}{r^2}[/tex]

Suppose you look at an object with mass m on this earth. You describe the gravitational interaction between this object and the Earth by setting m' equal to the Earth's mass, A is a universal constant, and r is the Earth's radius. Now, if this object is 100 above the Earth's surface, you should have written for r the value of the Earth's radius PLUS 100m. But since the Earth's radius is much bigger, just forget about the 100m

If you fill in these values for G, you will get the 9.81 m/s^2 that we all know.
The expression for G which depends on the mass m' and the distance between m and m' also suggest why the gravitational constant is not everywhere the same value on this earth. Well, the Earth is not a perfect sphere right :wink:


hope that helps

marlon
 
E and B produce force by the Lorentz force equation:
F=q[E+vXB].
This equals the rate of change of momentum: dp/dt.
Non-relativistically, dp/dt=ma, but in SR the acceleration is much more complicated.
dp/dt is still relatively simple in SR.
 

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