What's Wrong with This Proof That 2 = 1?

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical proof that claims to show 2 equals 1. Participants analyze the proof's steps and attempt to identify the flaw in the reasoning, exploring concepts of equality and mathematical operations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a modified version of a known false proof that claims 2 = 1, emphasizing the use of the notation "almost equal" to justify certain steps.
  • Another participant suggests using specific numerical examples to illustrate the flaw, indicating that numerical instability can reveal issues in the proof.
  • A third participant introduces a more formal algebraic approach, defining A as B plus a small positive value k, and critiques the original proof for neglecting this small value in its reasoning.
  • The final reply acknowledges the clarification provided by the third participant, suggesting an understanding of the flaw in the original proof.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof's validity, but there is agreement on the existence of a flaw. Multiple perspectives on how to identify and explain the flaw are presented.

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The discussion highlights the importance of considering small perturbations in mathematical proofs and the implications of dividing by terms that approach zero, though the specific definitions and assumptions used by participants may vary.

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In some part of this forum there was a link to silly math proofs such as 10 = 0, 2 = 1, 3 = 4 and so on. I've slightly modified one of those proofs in order to make it tricky to figure out what is wrong.

first of all, A --> B so A and B are almost equal. IIRC, ~ means something like almost equal so I will use it to relate the two.
A ~ B then multiply both sides by A
A^2 ~ AB then subtract B^2 from both sides
A^2 - B^2 ~ AB - B^2 then we factor both sides
(A + B) * (A - B) ~ B * (A - B) now divide both sides by (A - B)
A + B ~ B since A and B are almost equal, let's half ass simplify
B + B ~ B combine like terms
2B ~ B factor out B
2 ~ 1 what the heck?

At the step where both sides are divided by A - B, that is NOT a divide by 0 error. Since A and B are not exactly equal, that operation was perfectly legal.

So where is the flaw here?
 
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Run through the example with actual numbers, and the flaw will be clear. (and it will be a nice example of numerical instability)

Try, say, A = 1 and B = 1.0001
 
Let's use some real algebra.
Say A=B+k, where k>0 (but is very small)
A2=A(B+k)=AB+Ak
A2-B2=AB+Ak-B2
(A-B)(A+B)=B(A-B)+Ak
A+B=B+Ak/(A-B)
2B+k=B+Ak/(A-B)
2B=B+Ak/(A-B)-k=B+k(A/(A-B)-1)=B+Bk/(A-B)=B(1+k/(A-B))
2=1+k/(A-B)
In your "proof" you ignored the k part. Of course A-B=k, so k/(A-B)=1, but in your "proof" you take k/(A-B)=0.
 
Ok thanks for clearing that up.
 

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