How can we obtain an integral equation for M(x)?

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The discussion revolves around obtaining an integral equation for the function M(x), which counts the number of non-trivial zeroes of the Riemann zeta function up to a certain value x. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of the Riemann hypothesis and the validity of product series expansions of the zeta function.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a product representation involving non-trivial zeroes of the Riemann function and seeks to derive an integral equation for M(x) using a method similar to that applied to the product over primes.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the validity of the product series expansion of the zeta function when Re(s) = 1/2, noting that the Riemann hypothesis pertains only to specific zeroes within the critical strip.
  • A subsequent reply questions the reasoning behind the assertion that the product series expansion is not valid.
  • Another participant asserts that the series and product expansions converge for Re(s) > 1, indicating that the validity of the expansions is contingent on the region of convergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the product series expansion at Re(s) = 1/2, indicating a lack of consensus on this point. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications for M(x) and the methods to derive the integral equation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the region of convergence for the series and product expansions, as well as the unresolved nature of the implications of the Riemann hypothesis on M(x).

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let be the product:

[tex]\prod_{\sigma}(1-s/\sigma)e^{s/\sigma}=g(s)[/tex] where the product is over the non-trivial zeroes of Riemann function

then we take Logarithms to both sides so we have the equality:

[tex]Lng(s)=\sum_{\sigma}Ln(1-s/\sigma)+s/\sigma[/tex]

then we define the function M(x) in the way that gives the number of non trivial zeroes of riemann function up to x so how could we obtain using the same method that is applied to the product


[tex]\prod_p(1-p^{-s})[/tex] ot get the integral equation for M(x)?...

this can be useful as if Riemann hypothesis is true we will have that M(z) is only non zero when Re(z)=1/2
 
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several things spring to mind.
namely the product series expansion of the zeta function isn't valid when Re(s)=1/2 nad even if it were we know there are other zeroes to the zeta function, the riemann hypothesis only being abotu those that lie in the critical strip (the so called non-trivial ones)
 
why is not valid?...
 
you do know the series and product expansions converge for Re(s)>1 (i hope I'm right on this one, the summation certainly only is valid for Re(s)>1), thuogh it depends on which expansion you use.



[tex]\prod_p(1-p^{-s})[/tex]

exists iff

[tex]\sum_p -p^{-s}[/tex]

exists which is iff Re(s)>1
 

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