Prove the Square Root of 2 is irrational

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The discussion revolves around proving that the square root of 2 is irrational, a topic typically covered in Algebra 2. Participants are exploring the implications of assuming that the square root of 2 can be expressed as a fraction of two integers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish a proof by starting with the assumption that sqrt(2) = a/b, where a and b are integers. Some participants suggest proving that a and b cannot be mutually prime. Others raise questions about the implications of a being a natural number and the nature of b in relation to sqrt(2).

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the reasoning presented and exploring different lines of thought. There is a mix of suggestions and clarifications being offered, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the proof method.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between the proof and geometry, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the mathematical concepts involved. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the properties of even and odd integers in the context of the proof.

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This is Algebra 2 question...

I have to prove that the square root of 2 is irrational...

First we must assume that

sqrt (2) = a/b

I never took geometry and i don't know proofs...

Please help me.

Thank you.
 
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a rational number is of form a/b where a and be are mutually prime. I will give you a hint: you must prove that and and b cannot possibly be mutually prime.

and what does this have to do with geometry?
 
You're off to a good start. Let "a" and "b" be natural numbers.

[tex]\sqrt{2}=\frac{a}{b}\implies b\sqrt{2}=a[/tex]

Now, how could "a" be a natural number? Well, "b" would be some multiple of [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]. This in turn, would mean that "b" isn't a natural number.

Can you see where this is going? You need to prove this by contradiction.
 
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"Now, how could "a" be a natural number? Well, "b" would be some multiple of [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]. This in turn, would mean that "b" isn't a natural number."
How does that follow? Saying b*(1/2) , for example, equals a natural number does not imply that b isn't a natural number! Of course 1/2 isn't an irrational number but the whole point here is to prove that [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] is irrational.

Better to note that if [itex]\frac{a}{b}= \sqrt{2}[/itex] then, squaring both sides, [itex]\frac{a^2}{b^2}= 2[/itex] so that a2= 2b2 showing that a2 is even.

Crucial point: the square of an odd integer is always odd:

If p is an odd integer, then it can be written 2n+ 1 where n is any integer.

p2= (2n+1)2= 4n2+ 4n+ 1= 2(2n2+2n)+1.

Since 2n2+ 2n is an integer, p2 is of the form 2m+1 (m= 2n2+2n) and so is odd.

Do you see why knowing that tells us that a must be even?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
"Now, how could "a" be a natural number? Well, "b" would be some multiple of [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]. This in turn, would mean that "b" isn't a natural number."
How does that follow? Saying b*(1/2) , for example, equals a natural number does not imply that b isn't a natural number! Of course 1/2 isn't an irrational number but the whole point here is to prove that [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] is irrational.

Better to note that if [itex]\frac{a}{b}= \sqrt{2}[/itex] then, squaring both sides, [itex]\frac{a^2}{b^2}= 2[/itex] so that a2= 2b2 showing that a2 is even.

Crucial point: the square of an odd integer is always odd:

If p is an odd integer, then it can be written 2n+ 1 where n is any integer.

p2= (2n+1)2= 4n2+ 4n+ 1= 2(2n2+2n)+1.

Since 2n2+ 2n is an integer, p2 is of the form 2m+1 (m= 2n2+2n) and so is odd.

Do you see why knowing that tells us that a must be even?

Wow! You are so good at teaching! Thank you everybody!
 

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