Do Genes Determine Political Orientation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between genetics and political orientation, exploring whether genetic factors influence political beliefs and behaviors. Participants examine implications for democracy, the stability of political systems, and the role of free will in shaping political views.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if genes determine political orientation, it could imply that democracy is a "genetic crap shoot," potentially undermining the significance of dialogue and augmentation.
  • Others argue that claims of genetic determination are often taken out of context and may imply a lack of free will, which they reject.
  • One participant posits that the two-party system is inherently stable, suggesting that political ideologies evolve but eventually balance out, despite genetic influences on personality traits.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of genetic determination by questioning why political systems, such as communism in Russia, are not more stable if they were purely genetically influenced.
  • Some participants humorously speculate about external factors, like environmental influences, potentially affecting genetic predispositions toward political affiliations.
  • There is a suggestion that inherent traits might lead individuals to align with political parties that match their genetic dispositions, but this requires common threads across different political systems.
  • Participants discuss the extent to which reasoning and life experiences shape political beliefs compared to inherent traits, raising questions about the nature of political discourse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of genetics on political orientation, with no consensus reached on the extent or implications of such influence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between genetics and political beliefs.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on definitions of genetic influence, the complexity of political systems, and the assumptions underlying claims about stability and change in political affiliations.

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If genes determine political orientation, which has been suggested a number of times in recent years,
http://www.apsanet.org/imgtest/GeneticsAPSR0505.pdf

then isn't democracy a bit of a genetic crap shoot? Depending of course on the total influence of one's genetic, political orientation, the very notions of dialogue and augmentation seem to lose significance to that degree.
 
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I think a lot of statements like, "X, Y, and Z are genetically determined" are taken way out of their context. In the limit, they are posited to imply an absence of free will, which I refuse to accept.
 
I think the two-party system is inherrently stable, meaning there will always be two parties of roughly equal strength. You can see the effect now - with the Republican party being in control for so long, it has started to move to the right and the Democratic party is in flux as well. When that all shakes-out, the ideologies will have changed and the balance restored. It has happened before.

So while I agree that people are wired by genetics for a lot of their personality traits. I take after my father in a lot of ways. He's an engineer, as am I. He is self-employed and I am headed down that path. But he voted for Clinton...twice. So perhaps I take after my mother more when it comes to the politics...
 
If that were true...wouldn't countries like Russia remain communist? Single events can completely sway the power of political parties. If it was genetic, political systems would be much more stable then they are. It wouldn't change as much, or as quickly. I think the idea for political affiliation is ludicrous.
 
I meant a 2 party system in a democracy is inherrently stable. Communist Russia was autocratic and stability was maintained at gunpoint. That isn't natural stability.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
If genes determine political orientation, which has been suggested a number of times in recent years,
http://www.apsanet.org/imgtest/GeneticsAPSR0505.pdf

then isn't democracy a bit of a genetic crap shoot? Depending of course on the total influence of one's genetic, political orientation, the very notions of dialogue and augmentation seem to lose significance to that degree.
So, you're saying the reason there are so many Libertarians is because chemicals in the water we drink, food we eat, air we breath are causing genetic mutations? :smile:

For that to be true, the common threads among all political systems would have to be identified. In other words, maybe a person might be genetically more disposed to resist changes, etc and more likely to join whatever political party happened to match his genetic disposition. But, those same traits would have to re-occur through all political systems in the world (except in the case of mutant Libertarians).
 
BobG said:
So, you're saying the reason there are so many Libertarians is because chemicals in the water we drink, food we eat, air we breath are causing genetic mutations? :smile:

No, that would explain the right shift recently though. :smile:

The point here is to consider how much of our thinking is based on reason and life experience, and how much might be inherent.

This would explain why it seems a waste of time to argue politics. Could this be in part why people believe what they want to believe? Is this why conservatives tend to watch Fox News, and liberals tend more towards PBS [the real news] :biggrin: ?
 

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