Who Funds What: A Look at Money in Politics

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The discussion revolves around the funding sources for various political and social issues, including politicians, movements, and government expenditures. Participants explore the implications of national debt, homeland security spending, and disaster relief funding, particularly in the context of Hurricane Katrina.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the Swift Boat Veterans were initially funded by Texas oil money.
  • There is a claim that the national debt benefits anyone who owns government bonds or receives government payments, though the specifics of who profits are debated.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the allocation of funds for homeland security, with some suggesting that a significant portion goes towards bureaucracy and airport security.
  • Concerns are raised about FEMA's handling of funds allocated for Hurricane Katrina, including the process for evacuees to receive aid and the effectiveness of mail forwarding to refugee camps.
  • One participant mentions that companies are developing surveillance technologies for the government, indicating a potential financial gain for those involved in such projects.
  • Another participant notes that Switzerland holds a significant percentage of the US national debt, although this point is made somewhat jokingly in the context of a separate topic.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the funding sources and expenditures related to political issues, with no clear consensus reached on many of the claims. Disagreement exists regarding the effectiveness and transparency of government spending, particularly in relation to FEMA and homeland security.

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Participants reference specific funding allocations and processes without fully resolving the implications or effectiveness of these expenditures. The discussion includes anecdotal evidence and personal opinions, which may not reflect broader consensus or factual accuracy.

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My time at PF is very limited right now, in fact I shouldn't even be here now so I will just throw this out for your consideration. I thought that it might be interesting to see who funds what. Be it a politician, agendas, movements, causes, action committees, re-election committees, the national debt, or just about any political or social issue of significance, where is the money coming from and/or who's getting it?

For example:
IIRC, the Swift Boat Vets were allegedly funded by Texas Oil Money. Does anyone know if this is correct?

Who profits from the national debt?

Where is all of the money for homeland security being spent?
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
IIRC, the Swift Boat Vets were allegedly funded by Texas Oil Money. Does anyone know if this is correct?
Yes, at least for their initial funding.
Who profits from the national debt?
Pretty much everyone, I suppose. The debt itself is in the form of government bonds, so anyone who owns one is earning interest on the national debt. On the other end, anyone who receives money that the government doesn't have (whether its a contractor being paid to build a road, a defense contractor selling a plane, or a poor person cashing a welfare check) is profiting from the debt.
Where is all of the money for homeland security being spent?
Probably mostly on the bureacracy. The biggest actual project is probably airport security.
 
russ_watters said:
The biggest actual project is probably airport security.
At least that is the only evidence of Homeland security doing anything. And isn't that being paid for by a tariff on air travel?

It should be interesting to see what FEMA does with the $62 billion they just had allocated for Katrina. I hear that they are actually telling people in the Astrodome that FEMA will mail them a check if they have a New Orleans address. :confused: :confused: :confused:

I thought there was a mandatory evacuation in progress?

Do the evacuee's need to establish a new address first?

If they do will they still be able to get FEMA aid?

I am already feeling queasy about this.
 
Where is all of the money from homeland security being spent?

A lot is being spent to keep an eye on the internet. Even on forums.

Companies that are positioning themselves to help the government surveill the web came out in force at a recent Homeland Security Conference in Washington. They included Oracle, Microsoft, Information Builders, Choice Point, Man Tech, AMS, and Booz Allen & Hamilton. Government speakers from civilian and military agencies all stressed that they urgently need the technology to store surveillance-derived intelligence and exchange it with other agencies. If these corporations step up to the plate on developing new surveillance, monitoring, and biometric ID systems, they stand to make billions.

Companies like Top Layer Networks, Inc. of Westboro, Massachusetts, are developing ways for the FBI to install surveillance systems at a few key Internet hubs which would allow federal agents to remotely flip a switch and pound a few keys to begin monitoring the e-mail or web-based mail of any targeted group or individual. According to chief Top Layer engineer Ken Georgiades, the firm is working with a number of partners to develop new standards for the legal interception of communications at the Internet Service Provider level and at higher gigabit speeds.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=1108
 
Skyhunter said:
It should be interesting to see what FEMA does with the $62 billion they just had allocated for Katrina. I hear that they are actually telling people in the Astrodome that FEMA will mail them a check if they have a New Orleans address. :confused: :confused: :confused:

I thought there was a mandatory evacuation in progress?

Do the evacuee's need to establish a new address first?
Mail is being forwarded to refugee camps and FEMA is already passing out pre-paid credit cards with $2000 on them. Neither of those is going particularly well yet, though.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/07/katrina.mail/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/10/katrina.impact/index.html
 
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I believe Switzerland holds a fair percentage of the US national debt... I'll go look around after... dum dum dum... SEINFELD!

Man they were selling these tickets on 3rd party sites for $300-$800 a seat at the first sold out event. They opened tickets up for a 2nd show and we got 3 for $75 :P
 
russ_watters said:
Mail is being forwarded to refugee camps and FEMA is already passing out pre-paid credit cards with $2000 on them. Neither of those is going particularly well yet, though.

Guess there stopping that program.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050909/D8CH15TG3.html
 

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