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The discussion revolves around the problem of counting compositions of integers into relatively prime parts, specifically examining whether the number of such compositions for integers \( n \geq 3 \) is a multiple of 3. Participants explore various approaches, examples, and potential proofs related to this mathematical claim.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a claim from a journal stating that for all integers \( n \geq 3 \), the number of compositions of \( n \) into relatively prime parts is a multiple of 3, providing examples for \( n = 4 \).
  • The same participant attempts to construct a proof but expresses difficulty in demonstrating that the "in-between" compositions also yield a multiple of 3.
  • Another participant lists the number of compositions for various values of \( n \) (3 to 8) and predicts the counts for \( n = 9 \) and \( n = 10 \), suggesting a potential pattern.
  • Several participants challenge the original claim by providing their own counts of compositions for \( n = 5 \), leading to a disagreement about the total number of compositions.
  • One participant argues that their count for \( n = 5 \) results in 10 compositions, which contradicts the original claim, while another counters by listing additional compositions that bring the total to 15.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the number of compositions for \( n = 5 \), with conflicting counts presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the original claim about compositions being a multiple of 3.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their counts and the methods used to derive them, indicating potential limitations in their approaches and assumptions about compositions.

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Compositions into Relatively Prime Parts

Hello.

I was reading a journal and an interesting problem came up. I believe the journal was in the American Mathematics Society publications. Well, here's the statement.

"For all integers, n greater than or equal to 3, the number of compositions of n into relatively prime parts is a multiple of 3."

Example : For 4: the compositions of relatively prime parts are:

(1,3), (3,1), (2,1,1), (1,2,1), (1,1,2), (1,1,1,1).

This is what I have so far for a "proof":

Let n be an integer greater than or equal to 3.
Then the first composition will be given by (n-1, 1), (1, n-1); since for all k, an integer, (k, 1) and (1, k) are always relatively prime.
Also, (1, 1, ..., 1) where the composition adds to n is also an obtainable composition.

(So basically, I've gotten the end points of the compositions to be a multiple of 3, then I need to prove that the "in-between" compositions will also be a multiple of 3.)

Well, obviously I'm stuck there. I've tried to split it into two cases afterwards where the cases involve n - odd and n - even but it has come to no avail. Also I've tried to find a formula where the compositions of relatively prime parts is a multiple of 3 but it fails at "6". Here was the formula I came up with that failed, if it could be potentially be improved upon.

Formula: Starting at n=1, where i=3, i being the starting point.

(i)!/2^n

Like:
For 3, 3! = 6 divided by 2^1 = 2 will equal 3 compositions- a multiple of 3
For 4, 4! = 24 divided by 2^2 = 4 will equal 6 compositions - a multiple of 3
For 5, 5! = 120 divided by 2^3 = 8 will equal 15 compositions - multiple of 3

Well, hopefully people will post their ideas...
 
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Any algebraist in here that could help?
 
Well, I've still been trying to prove this for the past week. I think there may be some recursion sequence or something. Well, I've tried listing the compositions and here's the results:

n=3 : 3 compositions
n=4 : 6 compositions
n=5 : 15 compositions
n=6 : 27 compositions
n=7 : 63 compositions
n=8 : 129 compositions

I'm predicting that n=9 : 387 compositions
n=10 : 687 compositions

Anyone feel like lending a hand...?
 
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Maybe I don't really get what you mean... But for n = 5, I get 10 compositions, which means it fails for n = 5.
n = 5:
(1, 4), (4, 1)
(1, 1, 3), (1, 3, 1), (3, 1, 1)
(1, 1, 1, 2), (1, 1, 2, 1), (1, 2, 1, 1), (2, 1, 1, 1)
(1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
That's 2 + 3 + 4 + 1 = 10... :confused:
Viet Dao,
 
VietDao29 said:
Maybe I don't really get what you mean... But for n = 5, I get 10 compositions, which means it fails for n = 5.
n = 5:
(1, 4), (4, 1)
(1, 1, 3), (1, 3, 1), (3, 1, 1)
(1, 1, 1, 2), (1, 1, 2, 1), (1, 2, 1, 1), (2, 1, 1, 1)
(1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
That's 2 + 3 + 4 + 1 = 10... :confused:
Viet Dao,

You're forgetting:
(3,2), (2,3), (2,2,1), (2,1,2), (1,2,2),

which adds to 15.
:-p
 

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