High Voltage Experimentation: Safety Concerns and Potential Benefits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around safety concerns related to high voltage experimentation, specifically regarding a participant's intention to build a high voltage negative ion generator. The conversation explores the potential risks associated with high voltage and low current, as well as the implications of the participant's lack of knowledge and preparation.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses intent to build a 20,000 volt, 4 milliampere negative ion generator, later considering increasing the voltage to 200-500 kV.
  • Concerns are raised about the participant's safety, with some suggesting that the high voltage could be dangerous regardless of the low current.
  • Several participants question the participant's understanding of the risks involved, with one suggesting that if he does not know the potential effects, he should not proceed.
  • Another participant cites a dubious website that claims the project is safe, prompting skepticism about the reliability of such sources.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for serious injury or death if the participant mishandles the equipment, with calculations presented regarding current flow and resistance.
  • Some participants express a general concern about individuals with insufficient knowledge engaging in dangerous experiments, reflecting on broader societal implications.
  • Humorous remarks are made about the participant's spelling and reasoning abilities, with some suggesting a correlation between poor spelling and poor reasoning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are significant safety concerns regarding the participant's planned experiment, but there is no consensus on the exact level of risk or the appropriateness of the participant's actions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the safety of the proposed high voltage setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the participant's knowledge and preparedness, highlighting the need for proper understanding of high voltage safety. There are unresolved questions about the reliability of sources cited by the participant and the adequacy of the proposed safety measures.

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Based on my research in the ion wind area, i have decided to try it out as a ventilation system to replace fans I am not 100% sure yet, but I'm just about ready to give in an build a 20 000volt 4miliAmpere negative ion generator, and a huge copper tube with an 80mil diameter. Jeez.. i suppose ill need 2 old voltage amps from tv's... i have no idea where I am gona find identical ones... plus the circuitry... gota make a layout 2... but if i get it going, I am gona dedicate the research to Overclock.Net So... i suppose wish me luck. Ill only do it if i find identical vamps, if i don't its a no go, because I am not spending tons of money on a monster 20kilovolt... And if i find a lot of them, then i think ill go even higher with the power. I wonder how much my bill's gona b... Lol just found out negative ions r good for yer health

He later adds that he decided to move to 200-500kv

Should I be concerned about this persons safety?
 
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judging from his spelling alone I'd say he's already too far gone. Say your goodbyes.
 
Are we witnessing a Darwin Award in the making?
 
We all do realize that this guy is actually attempting to do this right?

What is going to happen and how can i... convince him of what is going to happen.
 
Smurf said:
judging from his spelling alone I'd say he's already too far gone. Say your goodbyes.

Is there a correlation between bad spelling/grammar and poor reasoning abilities?

I hope not...If so then I should already be dead..
 
Pengwuino said:
We all do realize that this guy is actually attempting to do this right?

What is going to happen and how can i... convince him of what is going to happen.

Are you sure this isn't a joke?
 
Rabid said:
Are you sure this isn't a joke?

Nope, this is not a joke.

I'm pretty sure the forum is full of stupid kids with too much money and no konwledge of anything and he's one of them.
 
Have you asked him if he has any idea what effect it may have on him? If his answer is no then I would say he shouldn't be doing it even if it won't hurt him because if he does it wrong then it may very well hurt him.
 
He cited some website that looks like a page where you would find instructions on how to make cold fusion or antimatter with a toothbrush and a burrito that said "this is safe!"
 
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I say you need to find him and give him a labotomy to help save him from himself.
 
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Pengwuino said:
He cited some website that looks like a page where you would find instructions on how to make cold fusion or antimatter with a toothbrush and a burrito that said "this is safe!"

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

A toothbrush and a burrito eh? :rolleyes:

If physics were that simplistic, we'd all have our doctorates now...
 
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He may shock the begeezes out of himself on the high voltage, but with the low miiliamp current it should't be deadly. :smile: This is not garanteed advice.

The only thing that I am sure of is that he won't move enough air for ventilation.
 
  • #13
edward said:
He may shock the begeezes out of himself on the high voltage, but with the low miiliamp current it should't be deadly. :smile: This is not garanteed advice.

Can anyone verify this.

To clarify, I mean if (if this guy really doesn't know what he's doing) this guy screws up the circuit or touches what he shouldn't touch, will that 200-500kv voltage be deadly? A quick calculation showed at the least, .1 A traveling through him (using 5M ohm resistance which is somewhat generous for a human i believe) which is far beyond the deadly range.

What kinda risks are involved here. How far is this from russian roulette lol
 
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Pengwuino said:
Can anyone verify this.

To clarify, I mean if (if this guy really doesn't know what he's doing) this guy screws up the circuit or touches what he shouldn't touch, will that 200-500kv voltage be deadly? A quick calculation showed at the least, .1 A traveling through him (using 5M ohm resistance which is somewhat generous for a human i believe) which is far beyond the deadly range.

What kinda risks are involved here. How far is this from russian roulette lol

I would say pretty close, especially using old TV transformers for the power supply. He would need a lot of electronics to cut the amperage down to a safe level.

0.005 A 50 V 5 V 0.25 W Maximum current which would
be harmless


Seriously the voltage he is talking about can cause the heart to fibrilate and stop beating.
 
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Pengwuino said:
He later adds that he decided to move to 200-500kv

Should I be concerned about this persons safety?
Aww, you must be mellowing. Usually your reaction to reading something like that is that if he's dumb enough to do it, he deserves whatever happens. Nice to know you've got a soft spot somewhere in that heart of yours. :wink: :biggrin:
 
  • #16
Moonbear said:
Aww, you must be mellowing. Usually your reaction to reading something like that is that if he's dumb enough to do it, he deserves whatever happens. Nice to know you've got a soft spot somewhere in that heart of yours. :wink: :biggrin:

I would like to see more people die from their mistakes... :devil:
 
  • #17
These people scare me. At som epoint, these people will be released into society where they could be doing important things that concern me like flying an airplane while I am on or driving near me or bagging my groceries.
 
  • #18
Townsend said:
I would like to see more people die from their mistakes... :devil:

That might help with overpopulation :smile: Then again we would be left without a government. :smile:
 
  • #19
edward said:
That might help with overpopulation :smile: Then again we would be left without a government. :smile:

or we would need a muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch larger secret service
 
  • #20
Pengwuino said:
These people scare me. At som epoint, these people will be released into society where they could be doing important things that concern me like flying an airplane while I am on or driving near me or bagging my groceries.

Yes, but they are mostly likely to kill you by crashing into you on the street...especially if they are driving a monster sized SUV... :devil:
 
  • #21
edward said:
That might help with overpopulation :smile: Then again we would be left without a government. :smile:

The smaller the government the better so...yeah, an extra side benefit.. :smile:
 

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