Orthogonal matrices geometry help

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The discussion revolves around the properties of orthogonal matrices, specifically within the context of the set O(n) defined by the condition A^t A = I for n x n matrices. Participants are tasked with proving certain properties related to the identity matrix and the closure of the set under matrix multiplication.

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  • The original poster expresses confusion about how to approach proving that the identity matrix is in O(n) and questions the simplicity of the task. They attempt to demonstrate that the product of two orthogonal matrices is also orthogonal, but their reasoning raises questions about the validity of their steps. Other participants suggest more straightforward methods and emphasize the importance of proving that the transpose of a matrix multiplied by itself equals the identity matrix.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on how to approach the proofs. There is recognition of the need for clarity in the original poster's reasoning, particularly regarding the proof for part a). The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and explore different approaches without reaching a consensus.

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There is an indication that the original poster feels overwhelmed by the perceived simplicity of the problem, which may affect their confidence in proving the statements. The discussion also highlights the need to adhere to the definitions and properties of orthogonal matrices as part of the homework constraints.

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Hello again,
This question confuses me for a reason. I read the questions and they sound to simple and to easy to answer. So maybe its something I am reading wrong and not answering. Help would be greatly apreciated.

first off
Let O(n) = { A | A is an n x n matrix with A^t A = I } be the set of n by n orthogonal matrices. Show that

a) I "is in" O(n)
b) If A, B "is in" O(n), then AB "is in" O(n) and that
c) If A "is in" O(n), then A^-1 "is in" O(n)

now a) just seems so simple i just don't know how to answer somthing like that

and for b) i have
-- if A,B "is in" O(n)

AA^t = I
BB^t = I

if AA^t = I , and BB^t = I then,
AA^t = BB^t

-- show AB "is in" O(n)

AB(AB)^t = I
ABB^tA^t = I
since BB^t = AA^t
AA^tAA^t = I
therefore since AA^t = I then AA^tAA^t = I and
therefore AB = I

now does this last statement change the process of the question

(In other words, this problem asks you to show that using the operation of matrix multiplication, O(n) is a group.)
does this statement change the way i should approach a)b)c)
thanks for you time
regards,
adam
 
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Your proof for part ii) does too much:

(AB)t(AB) = BtAtAB = Bt(AtA)B = BtIB = BtB = I

You should know that in general, if X and Y are square matrices, and XY = I, then YX = I. To prove that A-1 is in O(n), use the fact that A-1 = At and the stuff in the previous sentence. In general, to prove that an n x n matrix X is in O(n) you need to prove that XtX = I.
 
hello AKG,
thanks for the help, well for everything.
There is just one thing, part a). Isnt it completely obvious that I "is in" the set of orthogonal matrices. I just can't wrap my mind around proving somthing so simple.
thanks again
adam
 
Check the last sentence of my previous post for how to prove I is in O(n).
 
oh yes, that's directed to a).. i see now. thanks again
 

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