Vacuum to Vacuum Amplitudes and Functional Integrals

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of vacuum to vacuum transition amplitudes in the context of path integrals, specifically as presented in Ryder's text. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and seek clarity on the physical implications of the generating functional and its relation to quantum field theory (QFT).

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the physical meaning of the formula for the generating functional, suggesting it describes a scenario where a particle may briefly rise above the vacuum state but ultimately does not create a stable particle.
  • Another participant argues that the formula represents the generating functional rather than the transition amplitude, noting that functional derivatives yield n-point Green functions related to scattering events.
  • A participant elaborates on the role of the Lagrangian in the formula, linking it to phase changes due to a particle's motion and rest mass, while also mentioning the influence of electromagnetic interactions.
  • Questions arise regarding the concept of phase changes for particles, with references to other texts that might clarify this concept.
  • Participants discuss the merits of various QFT textbooks, particularly comparing Ryder and Zee, with some suggesting that Zee provides clearer insights into the physics of path integrals and source terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the generating functional and its implications for vacuum to vacuum transition amplitudes. Multiple competing views and interpretations are presented, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding phase changes and the mathematical representation of operators in QFT, suggesting that further reading may be necessary to clarify these concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and researchers in quantum field theory, particularly those seeking to deepen their understanding of path integrals and the physical interpretations of mathematical formulations in QFT.

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Hi,
I am reading chapter 5 of Ryder regarding path integrals and vacuum to vacuum transition amplitudes in presence of source.
I follow the math but don't have a clear physical picture.
The formula is:
[tex]Z[J]=\int Dq \: exp ( \frac{i}{h}\int dt(L+hJq+\frac{1}{2}i\epsilon q^2) )[/tex]
Can someone explain what this is the transition amplitude of please?
I think its saying:
1) pick a point in space
2) overlay a source (eg EM field)
3) A particle may be raised above the vacuum ground state at some point but ultimately at the beginning and end of time the vacuum will stay the vacuum - ie the vacuum will never turn into a stable particle.
I don't really think this is correct so please correct me!
:)
 
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IMHO, this formula is of the generating functional, which is not the transition amplitude. However, the n-th functional derivative with respect to J of the generating functional gives you the n-point Green function. The n-point Green function is related to the transition amplitude of a scattering event involving n particles, i.e. it is related to one element of the S-matrix <in|out>, which can be written as a function of creation and annihilation operators acting on <0| and |0> (which in turn can be expressed as a time ordered product of fields).
 
robousy said:
Hi,
I am reading chapter 5 of Ryder regarding path integrals and vacuum to vacuum transition amplitudes in presence of source.
I follow the math but don't have a clear physical picture.
The formula is:
[tex]Z[J]=\int Dq \: exp ( \frac{i}{h}\int dt(L+hJq+\frac{1}{2}i\epsilon q^2) )[/tex]
This is basically the start formula of chapter 6 which denotes the
path-integral for scalar fields.

L is Lagrangian which is proportional to the amount of phase-changes
over the trajectory of the particle as a result of it's rest mass and motion.

The J term takes account of the phase changes over the trajectory
of the particle as a result of the Electric and Magnetic Aharonov Bohm
effects. (The EM interactions)Regards, Hans
 
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Hans de Vries said:
L is Lagrangian which is proportional to the amount of phase-changes
over the trajectory of the particle as a result of it's rest mass and motion.

Thanks Hans.

What do you mean phase change over trajectory - the phase change of what.

I can conceptually picture phase changes for things like EM waves for example but I have a block when we talk about the phase of a particle.
 
dextercioby said:
Two words for ya: Read Zee !
Daniel.


Thanks.

The QFT books I currently learn from are:

Ryder
Mandl and Shaw
Peskin and Schr.
Weinberg - Quantum theory of fields.

Do you feel that Zee is sufficiently superior to these that it is worth purchasing in addition?

If so I will certainly purchase it.
 
robousy said:
Thanks Hans.
What do you mean phase change over trajectory - the phase change of what.
I can conceptually picture phase changes for things like EM waves for example but I have a block when we talk about the phase of a particle.

If you go to Peskin & Schroeder chapter 9 then you'll find an introduction in
terms of the "sum over phase changes". A very popular introduction on the
elementaries of this is Feynman's "QED The strange theory of matter and light"

Be aware that not all math is what it seems in these texts, e.g: in [itex]\langle x_b | e^{-iHt/\hbar} | x_a \rangle[/itex]
the Hamiltonian H is an operator (it includes differentiation) which makes the
whole exponent an operator.Regards, Hans.
 
Ok, thanks Hans. I'll check Peskin.
 
robousy said:
Thanks.
The QFT books I currently learn from are:
Ryder
Mandl and Shaw
Peskin and Schr.
Weinberg - Quantum theory of fields.
Do you feel that Zee is sufficiently superior to these that it is worth purchasing in addition?
If so I will certainly purchase it.

It's difficult to classify books & say one is superior to another, but i'll tell you that Zee's book explains the physics behind the path integral and what those "source terms" in the generating functionals mean and their connection with vacuum fluctuations.

Daniel.
 
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thx dextercioby. A friend has Zee so I'll just borrow.

Incidently. Its pretty obvious that you have a really good grasp of anything quantum. (qft qm, all the maths) and probably a bunch of other stuff.

What would be on your 'MUST READ AT GRAD SCHOOL' list for any budding theoretician??
 

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