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Jul23-05, 09:25 AM   #35
 

No new Einstein


<jabberwocky><div class="vbmenu_control"><a href="jabberwocky:;" onClick="newWindow=window.open('','usenetCode','toolbar=no,location=no, scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,status=no,width=650,height=400'); newWindow.document.write('<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Usenet ASCII</TITLE></HEAD><BODY topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 BGCOLOR=#F1F1F1><table border=0 width=625><td bgcolor=midnightblue><font color=#F1F1F1>This Usenet message\'s original ASCII form: </font></td></tr><tr><td width=449><br><br><font face=courier><UL><PRE>In message &lt;42DFF685.5030306@synopsys.com&gt;, Eugene Stefanovich\n&lt;eugenev@synopsys.com&gt; writes\n&gt;QM is probabilistic because nature is probabilistic.\n\nClassical probability theory describes situations in which every\nparameter exists, but some are not known. Probabilistic results come\nfrom different values taken by unknown parameters. We have a similar\nsituation in QM, but now the unknowns are not describable as parameters.\nAn experiment is described as a large configuration of particles\nincorporating the measuring apparatus as well as the process being\nmeasured. There are no relationships between particles bar those\ngenerated by physical interaction and we do not know the precise\nconfiguration of particle interactions. The configuration has been\npartially determined by setting up the experimental apparatus, reducing\nthe possibilities to those with definite outcomes to the measurement. It\nis impossible to determine every detail of the configuration since the\ndetermination of each detail requires measurement, which in turn\nrequires a larger apparatus containing new unknowns in the configuration\nof particles. Thus there is always a lack of determination of initial\nconditions leading to randomness in the outcome, whether or not there is\na fundamental indeterminism in nature.\n\n\n\nRegards\n\n--\nCharles Francis\n\n</UL></PRE></font></td></tr></table></BODY><HTML>');"> <IMG SRC=/images/buttons/ip.gif BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER ALT="View this Usenet post in original ASCII form">&nbsp;&nbsp;View this Usenet post in original ASCII form </a></div><P></jabberwocky>In message <42DFF685.5030306@synopsys.com>, Eugene Stefanovich
<eugenev@synopsys.com> writes
>QM is probabilistic because nature is probabilistic.


Classical probability theory describes situations in which every
parameter exists, but some are not known. Probabilistic results come
from different values taken by unknown parameters. We have a similar
situation in QM, but now the unknowns are not describable as parameters.
An experiment is described as a large configuration of particles
incorporating the measuring apparatus as well as the process being
measured. There are no relationships between particles bar those
generated by physical interaction and we do not know the precise
configuration of particle interactions. The configuration has been
partially determined by setting up the experimental apparatus, reducing
the possibilities to those with definite outcomes to the measurement. It
is impossible to determine every detail of the configuration since the
determination of each detail requires measurement, which in turn
requires a larger apparatus containing new unknowns in the configuration
of particles. Thus there is always a lack of determination of initial
conditions leading to randomness in the outcome, whether or not there is
a fundamental indeterminism in nature.



Regards

--
Charles Francis