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| Feb12-04, 08:51 PM | #1 |
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Paternity test identical twins
Identical twins both mate with a female and produce a child. How could you determine who the father is?
Identical twins result from when the zygote splits, so both twins will have the exact same DNA unless there was a mutation to the germ cells? |
| Feb12-04, 11:17 PM | #2 |
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hmmmmm??? Good question.
They would both have the same copy of both alleles, surely mutations is not what they are looking for. What do you think Monique, I am leaning toward not being able to tell, but sure there is something. Nautica |
| Feb12-04, 11:34 PM | #3 |
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Hm.. I don't know any statistics on this. There have been major problems with murder cases where twins were involved. I once saw a interview on 20/20, where a twin admitted he voluntarily took the place of his brother.. after a while the free brother started to feel guilty and turned himself in. So who did it?
There might be some mutational differences between the twins, but I am not sure whether it is feasable to go and look for those by sequencing a long stretch of DNA for instance.. |
| Feb13-04, 12:01 AM | #4 |
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Paternity test identical twins
The twins (presumably) have identical DNA. There's no way you could tell.
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| Feb13-04, 01:46 AM | #5 |
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Mutations occur during cell division. If the zygote splits early on during development, the chances are higher that such mutations will also be incorporated in the germ cells of such an individual and thus passed on to the next generation.
I don't know though what the odds are: 1 mutation in how many bases in a cell division.. I'd be interested to find out. |
| Feb13-04, 01:47 AM | #6 |
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I am véry sure there must be cases in the literature where one in a monozygotic twin had an accidental mutation in an important gene and thus developed a phenotype, while the other didn't.
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| Feb13-04, 01:53 AM | #7 |
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Literature search [:D]:
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| Feb13-04, 07:52 PM | #8 |
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Chroot is right, unless there is some form of mutation after the zygot devides, a mutation that passes on through reproduction (a very rare event), it would be imposiible to determine paternity between two identicle twins.
This brings up another interesting question. If a woman mates with two identicle twins and conceives twins herself (a likely event, as multiple births have been linked to heredity), is there any way to determine if the new zygots are from one father or both? It would seem to me there isn't. Theoretically, it could even be possible for "identical" twins to result from heteropaternal superfecundation. The twins would be genetically identical, but not monozygotic, nor even from the same father. That would be a real long-shot, of course, but not ruled out by genetics. The odds of the two being genetically identical would be no less than if they had the same father. |
| Feb14-04, 05:36 AM | #9 |
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| Feb14-04, 08:29 AM | #10 |
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| Feb14-04, 01:43 PM | #11 |
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| Feb14-04, 09:54 PM | #12 |
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As I said:
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| Feb15-04, 10:41 AM | #13 |
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| Feb15-04, 02:22 PM | #14 |
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You have to multiply to probabilty of egg x to get fertilized by sperm y by the probability of egg x to get fertilized by sperm y.
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| Feb29-04, 01:25 AM | #15 |
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I know there is no medical research that backs up the idea of identical twins "running" in families...but, it sure is strange how some families have an unually high number of identicals and others don't.
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| Mar1-04, 11:58 AM | #16 |
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So it IS possible for fraternal twins to have different fathers?
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| Mar1-04, 12:18 PM | #17 |
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Ofcourse, why wouldn't a dizygotic twin be able to have a different father? Although.. I've once heard something that the sperm of a second male who fertilizes a woman somehow has reproductive advantage. Still doesn't rule out fertilization by both men.
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