CNN: It's McCain and Palin


by Greg Bernhardt
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I found this amusing (to me anyway) take on Sarah Palin's appointment posted by someone in Alaska that I thought gives an interesting perspective.

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/0...s-perspective/
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well obviously she is a pitifully embarrassing choice, like a hail mary pass from a loser candidate, but she is about 100 times smarter than dan quayle. so although the gop ticket looks like a "little moron" joke to me, i think, given the idiocy of the us electorate, it is still a toss up.
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Quote Quote by russ_watters View Post
Poly sci degree from U of Idaho
City council of some city I never heard of, 1992-1996
Mayor from 1996-2003 (I think - she tried for Lt Gov in 2002 and lost and it doesn't say when she actually left the mayorship)
Held a mid-level advisor job (on ethics) with the governor from 2003-4 (resigned in protest of ethics violations and ended up bringing down the head of the Rep party in Alaska over it (that impresses me a lot).
Governor, 2007-8 (19 months)
That's a pretty sad list for a VP.

You're really trying to have it both ways here. To be objective, you need to set all variables but one equal and consider only that one variable: so all else being equal, would you want the more experienced or the less experienced potential President/CEO? Or put another way, which should be President/CEO and which should be
Ok, thats fine. But then the more experienced one shouldnt be lightyears ahead of the less experienced one. Keep in mind, she is potentially the president if something happens to McCain. I would not trust this woman to run things properly with her total lack of experience.

Heck, VP is, in reality, used as a stepping stone to President/CEO in both government and business. In business, it's almost a requirement.
Yeah, but it takes years of experience to become even a VP in a company. You dont get there overnight like this lady is trying to do.


Journalism is the school, not the major, but ultimately I agree that I'm not overly impressed with a political science degree.

Regardless, our Presidents have had a very wide range of educational credentials. While I agree that the evolution thing is a fairly big black stain, it is being used as a "religious right nutjob" litmus test, which may or may not really be accurate.
Oh come on, her education is pathetic. Even Ron Paul is a doctor. I want an intellectual in office, be it republic or democrat. Be a doctor, lawer, PhD, go to a top name school: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford. Whats so great about the university of Idaho? Did she major in reporting about potatoes?

But no, we can't boast intellect when running for office. That would be elitist. So instead, they have to pander to the 249 million dumbases that will vote for them that they are 'one of them'. Apparently, its bad to be smart. To win, you must be fat, stupid, love god, love guns, and worked in a mill growing up. These are 'important qualities' - (again, for both parties not just one). It's really pathetic. We should frown upon them as a nation playing to the stupid crowd. It's insulting.

Seriously, what's so bad about Tom Ridge? Smart guy, harvard, military service in vietnam, head of DHS, former Governor.....
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Can you see her staring down Putin?
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Quote Quote by mathwonk View Post
well obviously she is a pitifully embarrassing choice, like a hail mary pass from a loser candidate, but she is about 100 times smarter than dan quayle. so although the gop ticket looks like a "little moron" joke to me, i think, given the idiocy of the us electorate, it is still a toss up.
Hahahha, last sentence is funny, but sad because its true.
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Not to put too fine a point on things, but Nancy Pelosi is third in line to the Presidency..
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Not to put too fine a point on things, but Nancy Pelosi is third in line to the Presidency..
IMO, Pelosi as Commander in Chief is much better than Sarah Palin. Pelosi's tough.
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as my wife put it: a beehive hairdo?

what scares me was the ad showing her firing a combat rifle. is that the argument for her qualifications?


this is a sick joke right?

the good part is, there is no clearer distinction possible between these candidates. there is no way to confuse them. ( i hope) it is inconceivable that any hillary clinton supporter could vote for these dingbats.
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as my wife put it: a beehive hairdo?
Good point, mathwonk...what the hell is up with the hair?!?!?
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IMO, Pelosi as Commander in Chief is much better than Sarah Palin. Pelosi's tough.
I expect so.

I'd say the bald appeal to the anti-intellectualism of Intelligent Design, the pro-life stance, NRA membership, appeal to keep polar bears off the endangered species list, and dedication to drilling ANWAR, will wear quite thin once people get to reviewing her qualifications.

Insofar as cracking the glass ceiling, Geraldine Ferraro was already there and Nancy Pelosi is still poking her head through. She is only a couple of gaffe's away from total disaster for the Republicans.

I marvel at the Republican euphoria about her selection.
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Good point, mathwonk...what the hell is up with the hair?!?!?
Probably designed to make her look taller?

In that regard Romney was probably too tall for McCain.
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Quote Quote by mathwonk View Post
well obviously she is a pitifully embarrassing choice, like a hail mary pass from a loser candidate, but she is about 100 times smarter than dan quayle. so although the gop ticket looks like a "little moron" joke to me, i think, given the idiocy of the us electorate, it is still a toss up.
Yes, obviously.....well wait - obvious to who? People who are so far to the left they can't even see the center?? The polls say the race is a dead heat right now, but you wouldn't know it from the way people in this forum talk. Personally, I think the 'everyone is an idiot except for me' stance is arrogant and naive, but it does seem to be the popular stance at PF.
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Quote Quote by russ_watters View Post
Yes, obviously.....well wait - obvious to who? People who are so far to the left they can't even see the center?? The polls say the race is a dead heat right now, but you wouldn't know it from the way people in this forum talk. Personally, I think the 'everyone is an idiot except for me' stance is arrogant and naive, but it does seem to be the popular stance at PF.
I dont think you have to be far left to see this woman's a joke. I'm in the middle and I dont like her.

Honestly, why not a guy like Tom Ridge? Who is this lady that came out of thin air?

So lets see:
-Doesn't support protecting endagered species
-Wants to teach evolution
-Joke of college degree
-Mayor of a small town no one's heard of

Why are republicans not up in arms over this? This woman should be a laughing stock on every major news channel and newspaper so that McCain, out of shame, has to retract his nomination of her and get someone that's more serious.

Why can't there be a debate between two sane, qualified representatives from both parties? Is it really too much to ask?
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IMO, Pelosi as Commander in Chief is much better than Sarah Palin. Pelosi's tough.
I know some Alaskan women. Believe me, they're tough.
She may be a beauty queen but the Alaskan idea of a beauty pagent is "What does she look like in a bikini? Can she skin a moose? What sort of rifle does she own? What sort of truck and snowmobile does she drive?"
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Oh come on, her education is pathetic. Even Ron Paul is a doctor. I want an intellectual in office, be it republic or democrat. Be a doctor, lawer, PhD, go to a top name school: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford. Whats so great about the university of Idaho? Did she major in reporting about potatoes?
Wow! Since when did educational qualifications ever matter? I haven't heard you complain about say, McCain's educational qualifications.
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Wow! Since when did educational qualifications ever matter? I haven't heard you complain about say, McCain's educational qualifications.
She is trying out for a job. Why shouldn't they be weighted?

At least McCain went to the Naval Academy and was a Naval Aviator. The Naval Academy isnt for idiots.

Even if you want to argue McCain got there because of his father (which I wont argue), at least he was exposed to people of a very high caliber and teachers that demanded much from him.

Honestly, school of Journalism from Idaho?.............What award winning journalists ever came out of that place?
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Those high tech glasses she wears will swing this election.
Think I'm kiddin?
We have people discussing her hair!
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The one thing that amazes me:

Palin was positively NOT a selection from the Rove Machine. I was expecting the "Next-up from the neo-cons" presentation. McCain's VP, should he win, would be the likely GOP nominee in four years, and Palin (as noted already) is not "presidential."

Perhaps the neo-GOP is throwing in the towel for this round. I expect some interesting "event choreography" will occur over the next four years.


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