Zaduszki in Poland: Our Local Tradition

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The discussion centers around the local tradition of Zaduszki in Poland, which involves visiting graves of relatives on November 1st and 2nd to light candles and place flowers. Participants share personal experiences, cultural observations, and reflections on similar customs in other regions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the tradition of visiting cemeteries during Zaduszki, emphasizing the beauty of candlelit graves and the emotional significance of the practice.
  • Others note that similar customs exist in various Catholic cemeteries, with some uncertainty about the specific cultural origins and practices associated with lighting candles.
  • A participant mentions that while lighting candles is a Catholic tradition, it may differ from the practices observed in Poland, suggesting a distinction between Polish Catholic and Orthodox traditions.
  • There is discussion about the blending of All Saints' Day and Zaduszki, with some participants clarifying that they are two separate holidays, although many people visit graves on both days.
  • Some participants express surprise at the variations in traditions even within the broader category of Catholic practices across different countries.
  • One participant reflects on the emotional aspect of remembrance associated with the tradition, sharing a personal connection to the practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the significance of the Zaduszki tradition, but there are multiple competing views regarding the origins and variations of candle lighting practices in different cultural contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the distinctions between Catholic and Orthodox traditions and their specific practices.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the full scope of traditions as participants reference personal experiences and regional variations. Some assumptions about the practices may depend on local customs and definitions that are not universally applicable.

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Readers interested in cultural traditions, religious practices, or the emotional aspects of remembrance may find this discussion insightful.

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That's our local tradition. On November 1st and 2nd we visit graves of our relatives to light candles and put flowers.

You start with shopping - flowers...
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and candles (navigating through the crowd; we both did the same mistake of taking pictures WITHOUT people, that was a substantial effort - now we can't show you how the cemeteries really look alike on these days).*
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This is particularly expensive part of the cemetery - marbles and other expensive stones used.*
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But much cheaper terrazzo is the most popular material.*
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Other cemetery - we have visited three.*
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But it gets really nice at the evening, when it is already dark, and you can see all these candles...
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As usual, Marzena's pictures with *.
 

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Wow, that's a lovely custom, Borek, and, as usual, your and Marzena's photography documents the whole of it well. You've captured the day remarkably well. Thanks for telling us about it and showing it to us.
 
They also do that in several Catholic cemeteries near me. It may also be the Polish, I'm not sure. There is a really large Polish/ Catholic population here.
Wonderful photos of the market area, what do they call this event?
 
I think there are similar customs throughout Eastern Europe. A close frienda took me to some a small church/chapel, and as we entered the door, we had an option to buy candles and place them for those who are special. The person I was with lit a candle for 'her' three children, which were not hers biologically, but she raised them because the mother couldn't or didn't want to. Similarly, at the monestaries I visited, people bought candles to light for ancestors.
 
Astronuc said:
I think there are similar customs throughout Eastern Europe. A close frienda took me to some a small church/chapel, and as we entered the door, we had an option to buy candles and place them for those who are special.

That's a Catholic tradition, but is quite different from what Borek is showing of candles at cemetaries. Though, yes, I've seen candles at gravesites in Catholic cemetaries...usually at the sites of Slavic and Italian families. I never realized there were special dates associated with the candles, though. I guess my grandparents didn't maintain that tradition. We didn't usually go to the cemetary after Labor Day (in September...that's when we'd replace the flags on one uncle's grave who was killed in war) until Christmas.
 
Thats neat. and Marzena is your wife?
 
hypatia said:
Wonderful photos of the market area, what do they call this event?

Zaduszki, pronounced something like zahdooshki. But see next posts.
 
Wow, quite a lot of comments - which are slightly wrong...

Astronuc said:
I think there are similar customs throughout Eastern Europe. A close frienda took me to some a small church/chapel, and as we entered the door, we had an option to buy candles and place them for those who are special.

Moonbear said:
That's a Catholic tradition

I think it is an Orthodox tradition. What I know for sure is that you will not see it in Poland in Catholic churches, but we have Orthodox minority in the eastern Poland and I think that's what they do.

Moonbear said:
but is quite different from what Borek is showing of candles at cemetaries. Though, yes, I've seen candles at gravesites in Catholic cemetaries...usually at the sites of Slavic and Italian families. I never realized there were special dates associated with the candles, though.

Astronuc said:
All Saints' Day Celebration in Poland; Polish Cemeteries - Nov 1.

Candles on the graves are lit on any occasion - be it birthday or name day, or death anniversary. It s nothing wrong with lighting a candle on every other day, quite often people that are just accidentally close to the cemetary will buy a candle and put it on the grave. But on other days you just can, while on Zaduszki you should.

Page that Astro linked to is not entirely correct. All Saints' Day is on the Novemeber 1st, Zaduszki are on November 2nd. Technically these are two different days and two different holidays, although they got mixed and blended and most people go visit their graves on both days. To some extent that's because November 1st is a public vacation in Poland, while November 2nd is not, making it technically difficult to visit the graves. But most people are not aware of the distinction (including me, I had to check details, I just knew that the situation is not as simple as it looks at the first sight).
 
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Borek said:
I think it is an Orthodox tradition. What I know for sure is that you will not see it in Poland in Catholic churches, but we have Orthodox minority in the eastern Poland and I think that's what they do.

In the US, it's done in Catholic churches. I don't know about Orthodox churches, because I've never been in one.
 
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Interesting, didn't know about it. On the second thought - not very surprising. "Catholic" is a very broad term. I suppose when I write "Catholic" I mean "Polish Catholic" (whatever that means).
 
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Impressive Borek,

All Saints Day is also very important in Southern Germany but almost unknown in the north as well as in the Netherlands, marking the traditional geographic extend of Roman Catholisism in Europe
 
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The candlelit graves are so beautiful! What a lovely tradition.
 
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Borek said:
Interesting, didn't know about it. On the second thought - not very surprising. "Catholic" is a very broad term. I suppose when I write "Catholic" I mean "Polish Catholic" (whatever that means).

Well, my grandparent's parish was led by a Polish priest, and they had candles at their church too.

Though, I guess it doesn't surprise me that the traditions vary from country to country, even for something like the Catholic church which is so large across many countries. The Slovaks I work with were initially confused by some of the differences when they started going to church here too...traditions they thought were part of the Catholic tradition turned out to be local traditions that aren't practiced here, and then of course some things I thought were Catholic traditions are local traditions practiced here and not elsewhere.
 
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The traditions you show in your images are wonderful in their embrace of remembrance. It makes me a bit sad for my father's grave... he wanted to be buried in the Catholic cemetery of my mother's tiny, mostly deserted, two-cross-road hometown, which, this time of year, is very cold and windy, and I'm sure quite lonely... But now, in retrospect and miles away, I can just superimpose his soul on the spirit of your photos, and it all seems okay. Thank you for sharing the photos.
 

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