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| Aug19-03, 12:44 PM | #18 |
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The UFO Napster |
| Aug24-03, 03:09 AM | #19 |
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UFO case blocked by MoD
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE UFO REPORT CIA, UFO'S & SECRECY |
| Sep2-03, 12:26 PM | #20 |
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| Jan22-04, 08:33 AM | #21 |
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Well then, how do you explain your cases?
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| Jan22-04, 04:13 PM | #22 |
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In my own mind I have ruled out any possibility that all events can be explained by hoaxes, misperceptions, lies, exotic but human technology, familiar natural phenomena, and fantasy prone personalities. My best guess is that several explanations are needed including [perhaps]: 1). The military uses real UFOs as a convenient smokescreen; i.e. they are glad to allow military test craft to be interpreted as alien spacecraft. [edit: then deny the whole things as more UFO nonsense] 2). One or perhaps several highly exotic but "natural" and unrecognized phenomena exist. The possibility of a plurality of natural explanations is my best hope to kill ET: There must be a plasma phenomenon or something else that produces a lot of EM, and maybe other "things", maybe chemically driven, that produce the appearance of a saucer and many other geometric forms. Also, I see no other way to account for some highly compelling witnesses except to assume that proximity to some of these things will or can cause dramatic hallucinations [e.g. in Persinger's work with EM fields and the brain]. One of my biggest objections to the earthlights explanations is that we can't account for stable, floating, darting and dashing, weapons systems killing, and plane chasing ellipsoids. Many skeptics use this explanation AS IF it settles the mystery. Even if we all agree that earthlights are the source, we still have quite a mystery! 3). Really out on a limb now...[edit: just some wild speculation here - not to be considered a theory or hypothesis of mine] perhaps we are seeing unknown cosmic phenomena...or even macroscopic quantum phenomena...EDIT: OK I shouldn't have said that...I'll take that back, but some stuff that I have seen on tape is just too weird!!! I have seen some very good videos of some very, very strange things - not really UFOs, and almost certainly not anything familiar. 4) I can't rule out the exotic explanations e.g. ET, time travelers etc, but I don't accept them either...and there I'm stuck. Also, as for the government conspiracy theories: IMO, either we have a 50 year old conspiracy by perhaps thousands of military personnel to perpetuate the UFO myth, including some of our highest ranking officials [some who continue to tell lies even on their death beds], including a couple of personal friends and relatives, or there IS a conspiracy to hide [some] information about UFOs; And/Or the government is just as confused as I am. |
| Jan23-04, 05:37 AM | #23 |
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I have talked with a few of the central figures in what I consider to be interesting, alleged UFO events. After a conversation with someone like Col. Halt in the Rendlesham case, for example, I could believe just about anything; I don't, but some of these people are really hard to dismiss.
Also, many of the biggest proponents of government conspiracy theories are people formerly associated with the intelligence community and or the military. This has always bothered me quite a bit. Of course, it is possible that the government condones this behavior to perpetuate the myth, or maybe these guys have just figured out that UFOs can mean big profit, but this gets into conspiracies to falsify UFO reports and events while on duty at places like nuclear weapons bases. These reports are then used later, say after retirement, which gets a little long the tooth as well. Also, many of these reports were classified and predate the Freedom of Information Act – which is what now makes these reports public information…to the extent that they’re not blacked out. |
| Apr20-04, 04:48 PM | #24 |
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SelfAdjoint and I put this thread a little off track. Please keep this thread limited to links and very brief comments. Sorry folks, that was my fault.
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| May20-04, 11:54 PM | #26 |
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| May21-04, 03:22 AM | #27 |
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http://members.ozemail.com.au/~vufors/valentich.htm Edit: Until now I had never seen an official source or even a report number listed for this story. I would like to get an official source for this, such as gov.au, or mil.au, or whatever is appropriate down under, if anyone has one or knows where to look. A fascinating and perplexing event if the story is accurate. |
| May22-04, 02:12 AM | #28 |
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and try this: from Bruce Maccabee
The Not Famous NEW ZEALAND FLASHING LIGHT film! (Not famous because it wasn't publicized.) ..... in December, 1978? ..... The New Zealand sightings may be the most "instrumented" in civilian ufology, with multiple witnesses, TWO INDEPENDENT TAPE RECORDINGS MADE DURING THE SIGHTINGS(!), 16 mm color movie film and ground and air radar.......the so called SQUID BOAT sighting. http://brumac.8k.com/ |
| Jul31-04, 03:06 PM | #29 |
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From Mouseonmoon:
UFO BRIEFING DOCUMENT SHOWS "BEST AVAILABLE EVIDENCE" http://www.physicsforums.com/showthr...208#post272208 |
| Aug27-04, 06:56 PM | #30 |
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Flying Triangles
A nice synopsis from NIDS. Please see this thread. http://www.physicsforums.com/showthr...005#post297005 |
| Nov6-04, 02:58 PM | #31 |
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For the original CIA reports, go to the following link and see the docs dates dated 10/1, and 10/20/55: http://www.foia.cia.gov/search.asp?p...&sortOrder=ASC |
| Dec8-04, 02:51 AM | #32 |
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In spite of appearances I don't promote any ET hypotheses, but this is an interesting and amusing story.
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| Dec9-04, 04:41 PM | #33 |
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A commonly referenced item in the UFO lore, the origins of the UFO section for firefighters is revealed. It is noteworthy that many skeptics claimed that this chapter was a forgery, or that no such book even exists. Clearly they didn't really know.
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| Dec17-04, 09:48 PM | #34 |
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I see an awful lot of familiar descriptions in here. See especially the section about ball lightning.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=57039 Possibly more on little black holes http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=67745 |
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