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Ivan Seeking
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Aug24-03, 03:09 AM
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UFO case blocked by MoD
Details of one of Britain's most famous UFO scares was among information repeatedly suppressed by government defence chiefs, according to a Westminster watchdog.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2537115.stm


THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
Noah talks with Peter Sturrock, Professor of Applied Physics at Stanford University. Professor Sturrock recently assembled a panel of scientists to review data from a collection of UFO sightings. This panel made the first independent review of UFO sightings since 1970 and concluded that a collection of alleged UFO sightings merit additional scientific study. Professor Sturrock believes that a lack of institutional support hinders the study of UFOs.
http://discover.npr.org/features/fea...l?wfId=1034787


UFO REPORT
[A] team of scientists published the first independent review of UFO phenomena in thirty years. While they found no signs of alien intelligence, they did conclude that there is some UFO evidence that can't be explained. In this hour, we'll take a closer look at the report. Plus, we'll talk about a new approach to spinal cord repair in rats.
http://discover.npr.org/features/fea...l?wfId=1010519


CIA, UFO'S & SECRECY
NPR's Steve Inskeep reports on the C-I-A's admission that it deceived the public for decades when asked about sightings of unidentified flying objects. For much of that time, the agency denied that UPO's even existed, explaining them away as `unusual weather phenomena,' Now the CIA admits that the objects were actually U-S high altitude aircraft used to spy on other countries.
http://discover.npr.org/features/fea...l?wfId=1028513
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Alejandro Guillier (journalist): UFOs, well...nothing better than to ask a war pilot about the experiences he’s had if he’s seen anything, but it turns out that I’ve heard talk about there being a military pilot in Antofagasta who toward the late Seventies -- ’78 -- had been flying and ran into a very strange thing. It also turns out that the pilot became a general, retired general Hernan Gabrielli, and we’re going to talk to him about this rather interesting experience. How do you do, general? Good morning
http://www.paranormalnews.com/article.asp?ArticleID=715
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Jan22-04, 08:33 AM
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Well then, how do you explain your cases?
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Originally posted by selfAdjoint
Well then, how do you explain your cases?
I don't. I have a few guesses and I understand why there are so many ET believers, but after nearly 20 years of serious interest I don't know what to think! Most frustrating!!!

In my own mind I have ruled out any possibility that all events can be explained by hoaxes, misperceptions, lies, exotic but human technology, familiar natural phenomena, and fantasy prone personalities. My best guess is that several explanations are needed including [perhaps]:

1). The military uses real UFOs as a convenient smokescreen; i.e. they are glad to allow military test craft to be interpreted as alien spacecraft. [edit: then deny the whole things as more UFO nonsense]

2). One or perhaps several highly exotic but "natural" and unrecognized phenomena exist. The possibility of a plurality of natural explanations is my best hope to kill ET: There must be a plasma phenomenon or something else that produces a lot of EM, and maybe other "things", maybe chemically driven, that produce the appearance of a saucer and many other geometric forms. Also, I see no other way to account for some highly compelling witnesses except to assume that proximity to some of these things will or can cause dramatic hallucinations [e.g. in Persinger's work with EM fields and the brain]. One of my biggest objections to the earthlights explanations is that we can't account for stable, floating, darting and dashing, weapons systems killing, and plane chasing ellipsoids. Many skeptics use this explanation AS IF it settles the mystery. Even if we all agree that earthlights are the source, we still have quite a mystery!

3). Really out on a limb now...[edit: just some wild speculation here - not to be considered a theory or hypothesis of mine] perhaps we are seeing unknown cosmic phenomena...or even macroscopic quantum phenomena...EDIT: OK I shouldn't have said that...I'll take that back, but some stuff that I have seen on tape is just too weird!!! I have seen some very good videos of some very, very strange things - not really UFOs, and almost certainly not anything familiar.

4) I can't rule out the exotic explanations e.g. ET, time travelers etc, but I don't accept them either...and there I'm stuck.

Also, as for the government conspiracy theories: IMO, either we have a 50 year old conspiracy by perhaps thousands of military personnel to perpetuate the UFO myth, including some of our highest ranking officials [some who continue to tell lies even on their death beds], including a couple of personal friends and relatives, or there IS a conspiracy to hide [some] information about UFOs; And/Or the government is just as confused as I am.
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I have talked with a few of the central figures in what I consider to be interesting, alleged UFO events. After a conversation with someone like Col. Halt in the Rendlesham case, for example, I could believe just about anything; I don't, but some of these people are really hard to dismiss.

Also, many of the biggest proponents of government conspiracy theories are people formerly associated with the intelligence community and or the military. This has always bothered me quite a bit. Of course, it is possible that the government condones this behavior to perpetuate the myth, or maybe these guys have just figured out that UFOs can mean big profit, but this gets into conspiracies to falsify UFO reports and events while on duty at places like nuclear weapons bases. These reports are then used later, say after retirement, which gets a little long the tooth as well. Also, many of these reports were classified and predate the Freedom of Information Act – which is what now makes these reports public information…to the extent that they’re not blacked out.
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Apr20-04, 04:48 PM
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SelfAdjoint and I put this thread a little off track. Please keep this thread limited to links and very brief comments. Sorry folks, that was my fault.
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So how is this? no UFO, not even a FO.
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May20-04, 11:54 PM
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The PF thread on this subject:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=25286
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May21-04, 03:22 AM
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During the evening of October 21, 1978, twenty year old Australian Pilot Frederick Valentich disappeared over Bass Strait, while flying from Melbourne's Moorabbin Airport to King Island, off the coast of Victoria. His last communication occurred at 7:12 p.m., during the largest UFO flap in Australian history. Nearly fourteen years after that fatal Saturday evening, no trace has ever been found of either the pilot or his blue and white Cessna model 182 aircraft.

During my travels and correspondence, I have found many false stories circulating around the world regarding this most important case. I have found that these inaccurate statements are coming from individuals at home and abroad. These are people who live thousands of kilometres from the scene where the action took place, newcomers to the field, journalists who write about everything and are experts on nothing except misquotations and out of context reporting and last but not least, "Professors of Impossibility" from the scientific community who have concocted preconceived opinions and have tried to make their ideas fit around them.

Frederick Valentich was not the only person who reported a strange object over and near Bass Strait that day and night. Researchers have found over fifty reported observations in that area which occurred before, during and after his encounter. Most of this information would never have been found without the diligence of researchers from the Victorian UFO Research Society, based at Moorabbin, near the location from whence the mysterious flight originated.

ACTUAL TRANSCRIPTION OF MELBOURNE FLIGHT SERVICE
The transcript portion of the communication between Valentich and Melbourne Flight Service as released by the Australian Department of Transport follows: (FS - Flight Service, DSJ - Frederick Valentich aircraft designation).

1906:14
DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.

1906:44
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, it seems to me like landing lights.

1907
FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1907:31
DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?
DSJ Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.

1908:18
DSJ Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1908:41
DSJ (open microphone for two seconds.)

1908:48
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.

1909
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?
DSJ My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?
DSJ Affirmative.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.

1909:27
DSJ Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).

1909:42
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft?
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.

1910
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?

1910:19
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1910:46
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911
DSJ Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.
DSJ Say again.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911:50
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?
DSJ My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.
FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1912:28
DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).

No official conclusion has been given for the strange sound which was heard that interrupted the last statement of the pilot. [CONTINUED]
Please see this link for more information:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~vufors/valentich.htm

Edit: Until now I had never seen an official source or even a report number listed for this story. I would like to get an official source for this, such as gov.au, or mil.au, or whatever is appropriate down under, if anyone has one or knows where to look.

...The only official report to emerge on the affair was an Aircraft Accident Investigation Summary Report, reference No. V116/783/1047. The basic relevant events and transcript of the conversation between Valentich and Robey - a "radio encounter of a weird kind" - included in the report are given here...
http://www.project1947.com/forum/bcoz6.htm#dsj

A fascinating and perplexing event if the story is accurate.
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and try this: from Bruce Maccabee
The Not Famous NEW ZEALAND FLASHING LIGHT film! (Not famous because it wasn't publicized.) ..... in December, 1978? ..... The New Zealand sightings may be the most "instrumented" in civilian ufology, with multiple witnesses, TWO INDEPENDENT TAPE RECORDINGS MADE DURING THE SIGHTINGS(!), 16 mm color movie film and ground and air radar.......the so called SQUID BOAT sighting.

http://brumac.8k.com/
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Jul31-04, 03:06 PM
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From Mouseonmoon:

UFO BRIEFING DOCUMENT SHOWS "BEST AVAILABLE EVIDENCE"
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthr...208#post272208
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Flying Triangles

A nice synopsis from NIDS. Please see this thread.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthr...005#post297005
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Nov6-04, 02:58 PM
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One of the most powerful U.S. senators in modern history actually eye-witnessed two UFO's while on a fact-finding trip through Russia in 1955-and the U.S. government kept the sightings a secret for more than three decades. The incredible encounter is detailed in 12 TOP SECRET CIA, FBI, and Air Force reports-and declassified in 1985. Those startling reports reveal that Senator Richard B. Russell, Jr. (D-GA)-then chairman of the Armed Services Committee-was on a Soviet train when he spotted a disc-shaped craft taking off near the tracks. He hurriedly called his military aide and interpreter to the window-and they saw the UFO, plus another one that appeared a minute later. The astonished trio reported the sightings to the U.S. Air Force as soon as they were out of Russia.[continued]
http://ufocasebook.com/senatorsrussia.html

For the original CIA reports, go to the following link and see the docs dates dated 10/1, and 10/20/55:
http://www.foia.cia.gov/search.asp?p...&sortOrder=ASC
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Dec8-04, 02:51 AM
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In spite of appearances I don't promote any ET hypotheses, but this is an interesting and amusing story.

The Whole Tooth About the President's Extraterrestrial Encounter

By Peter Carlson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 19, 2004; Page C01

Fifty years ago tomorrow -- on Feb. 20, 1954 -- President Dwight Eisenhower interrupted his vacation in Palm Springs, Calif., to make a secret nocturnal trip to a nearby Air Force base to meet two extraterrestrial aliens.

Or maybe not. Maybe Ike just went to the dentist. There's some dispute about this.

The Ike-met-with-ETs theory is advanced by Michael Salla, a former American University professor who now runs the Peace Ambassador Program at AU's Center for Global Peace.

The Ike-went-to-the-dentist theory is advanced by the folks at the Dwight D. Eisenhower Library in Abilene, Kan. And by James M. Mixson, a dentist, professor of dentistry and historian of presidential dental work.

Just to make things more intriguing: On the night in question, the Associated Press reported this: "Pres. Eisenhower died tonight of a heart attack in Palm Springs."

Two minutes later, the AP retracted that bulletin and reported that Ike was still alive. [continued]
http://www.exopolitics.org/Wash-Post...0and%20ETs.htm
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Dec9-04, 04:41 PM
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A commonly referenced item in the UFO lore, the origins of the UFO section for firefighters is revealed. It is noteworthy that many skeptics claimed that this chapter was a forgery, or that no such book even exists. Clearly they didn't really know.

Deerfield Twp. Fire Rescue Chief Bill Kramer is the co-author of a 1992 manual that serves as a guide for fire departments in disaster control. Along with Charles Bahme, Kramer penned a chapter in the manual Fire Officers’ Guide to Disaster Control on how fire departments should react if a UFO lands.

...Kramer said fire rescue personnel would be the first called if a UFO lands. Although there have not been any real encounters with UFOs, Kramer said the chapter essentially deals with panic control. He said there have been a number of incidents over the years that have induced panic. [continued]
http://www.pulsejournal.com/news/con...09japantv.html
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Dec17-04, 09:48 PM
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I see an awful lot of familiar descriptions in here. See especially the section about ball lightning.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=57039

Possibly more on little black holes
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=67745
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Dec20-04, 03:43 AM
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Lots of good data and photos

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=20613
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http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=57517


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