How Do You Calculate Fourier Series Coefficients for f(t) = sin(pi*t)?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the Fourier series coefficients for the function f(t) = sin(πt) over the interval 0 < t < 1, with a period of 1. Participants explore various methods for determining the coefficients A_n and B_n, as well as discussing related trigonometric identities and integration techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding the coefficients A_n and B_n for the Fourier series of f(t) = sin(πt).
  • Another participant shares their setup for calculating the coefficients, including the integral expressions for a_0, A_n, and B_n, and mentions a discovered algebra error.
  • A different participant suggests integrating sin(πt) with both sin(nt) and cos(nt) using trigonometric identities.
  • One participant corrects a typo in the trigonometric identity and suggests that B_n = 0 for all integers n ≥ 1, providing a form for the Fourier series representation of sin(πt).
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Fourier series is unique and suggests that if one set of coefficients works, it represents the Fourier series.
  • A later post introduces a modified version of the problem with a period of 2, presenting a new series and discussing the calculations involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for calculating the coefficients, and multiple approaches and interpretations are presented. There is also disagreement regarding the implications of the uniqueness of the Fourier series.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on specific trigonometric identities and integration techniques that may not be universally accepted or may depend on particular assumptions about the function and its periodicity.

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I am having trouble finding the An and Bn coefficients for the Fourier series f(t) = sin (pi*t) from 0<t<1, period 1

Please help! Thank you!
 
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Newbie wants to bump this query:

I was having trouble with this problem as well until I discovered a simple algebra error; here is how I set it up

[tex]a_0 = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{2}}\int_0^1 Sin(\pi t) \;dt = \frac{4}{\pi}[/tex]

[tex]A_N = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{2}}\int_0^1 Sin(\pi t) Cos(2 n \pi t)\; dt[/tex]

[tex]B_N = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{2}}\int_0^1 Sin(\pi t) Sin (2 n \pi t)\; dt[/tex]


A source advises the Trigonometric Identities:

[tex]2 Sin[A] Cos<b> = Sin [A+B] + Sin[A-B] </b>[/tex]

[tex]2 Sin[A] Sin<b> = Cos[A-B] - Cos[A+B] </b>[/tex]

let [tex]u = \pi t + 2 n\pi t = A + B \mbox{\quad and let\quad} v = \pi t - 2 n \pi t = A -B[/tex]

then

[tex]A_n = 2\; \frac{1}{2}\;\;\frac{ 1}{\pi (1+ 2 n)} \;\;\int_0^{\;\pi(1+2 n)} Sin(u)\; du[/tex]

[tex]\quad\quad\quad+ \quad 2\;\frac{1}{2}\;\;\frac{ 1}{\pi (1- 2 n)} \;\;\int_0^ {\;\pi(1-2 n)} Sin(v)\;dv[/tex]

[tex]B_n = 2\; \frac{1}{2}\;\;\frac{ 1}{\pi (1-2 n)} \;\;\int_0^{\;\pi(1-2 n)} Cos(v)\; dv[/tex]
[tex]\quad\quad + \quad 2 \;\frac{1}{2}\;\;\frac{ 1}{\pi (1+ 2 n)}\;\; \int_0^ {\;\pi(1+2 n)} Cos(u)\;du[/tex]

where the substituted limits of integration, [tex]\pi (1 \pm 2n)=\pi\pm2n\pi[/tex] for [tex]\mbox{integer}\; n\geq1[/tex] are equivalent to [tex]\pi[/tex] due to periodicity of the Sine and Cosine functions.
 
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anish said:
I am having trouble finding the An and Bn coefficients for the Fourier series f(t) = sin (pi*t) from 0<t<1, period 1

Please help! Thank you!

So, basically, you need to integrate sin([pi]t)sin(nt) and sin([pi]t)cos(nt).

Use the trig identities sin(a)sin(b)= (1/2)(cos(a-b)- cos(a+b)) and
sin(a)sin(b)= (1/2)(sin(a+b)+ sin(a-b)).
 
Yes, except for typo--second equation should read [tex]sin(a)cos(b) = 1/2 (sin[a+b] + sin[a-b])[/tex]and with the substitutions suggested these integrals tidy up rather nicely [itex]\mbox{ (hint---} B_n = 0\mbox{ for all integers,\:} n\geq 1)[/itex].
I get a good form for the actual function [itex]sin(\pi t)[/itex] being modeled by Fourier using
[tex]\frac{a_0}{2}+\sum_1^{\infty} A_n\;Cos(2 n \pi t) \quad\mbox{ \quad n is an integer}[/tex]
where
[tex]A_n =\frac{-4}{\pi (4n^2-1)}[/tex]
so
[tex]f(t)=\frac{2}{\pi}-\frac{4}{\pi}\sum_1^{\infty}\frac{Cos(2n\pi t)}{4n^2-1}=Sin(\pi t)[/tex]

[tex]f(t)\sim\frac{2}{\pi}\;-\;\frac{4}{\pi}\left(\frac{Cos(2\pi t)}{3}\;+\;\frac{Cos(4\pi t)}{15}\;+\;\frac{Cos(6\pi t)}{35}\;+\;\cdots\right )[/tex]
 
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Follows an attempt to display a plot of [itex]Sin(\pi t)[/tex] of period 1 using the initial constant term and 6 iterations of the Cos term. Click on the bitmap file.[/itex]
 

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You guys are missing the forest for the trees!

The Fourier series is a sum of sines and cosines, and it's unique. So if you can find one set of coefficients that works, you've got THE Fourier series.

So if

sin(pi*t) = a0 + An*SUM[sin(n*pi*t)] + Bn*SUM[cos(n*pi*t)],

can't you just look at that and see a set of coefficients that will make the left and right hand sides of that equation the same?
 
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OK, here is the same problem except make the period 2 and let the function to be modeled by Fourier series be:

[itex]f(t) =\left\{\begin{array}{cr}0&\mbox{if\;\;}-1<t<0\\sin(\pi t)&\mbox{if\quad} 0<t<1\end{array}\right[/itex]

Calculations very similar to those pictured earlier above and adjusted only slightly for the period size being doubled lead to the following series

[itex]\frac{1}{\pi} \;+\;\frac{1}{2}\;Sin(\n\pi t)\;-\frac{2}{\pi}\;\sum_{n=2}^{\infty}\;\frac{Cos(n\;\pi\;t)}{n^2-1}=f(t)[/itex]

This series produces a very nice periodic plot modelling f(t) with only 5 iterations of the Cos term .[tex]B_1=\frac{1}{2}[/tex] was calculated separately with its own integral as the general expression for [tex]B_n[/tex] is undefined at n=1 and 0 for [tex]n\geq2[/tex]. For the same reason the Cos terms are iterated starting at n=2 with [tex]A_1 = 0[/tex])

Click on the bitmap to see the plot so generated.
 

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