Flying rods

KLscilevothma

Quote from the above website
These "things" move much to quickly to be seen with the naked eye, but they can be captured on film and seen when the film is played back in slow motion. They appear to have appendages along their torsos which move in wave like motion, and the torsos bend as they move. Measuring from inches to several feet in length, flying rods have been observed and filmed all over the world.

The rods appear to show some type of intelligence, as they will often dodge things that they would otherwise collide with. I personally cannot say I have seen rods, or taken footage of them. However, there was a day during this past summer where I was lying on my back at the beach where every so often I would "see" things flying over at extremely high velocities. At any other time I would just dismiss such instances as bugs flying past, or abberations in my vision, or any number of possible optical distortions that could occur, except that when I pointed them out to my friend, she saw them also. They could only be described as blurs crossing the sky, almost too quickly to be seen. I am not sure what we saw that day, but I only became aware of the blurs because I have been researching this phenomenon for quite awhile now. I have heard skeptics claim that the rods are nothing more than bugs or birds flying very close to the lens of the camera taking the picture, and that may well be true in some cases. But what Jose filmed that day at the cave, and alot of what others have filmed all over the Earth -- No Way!

Where do the rods come from? Are they indigeneous to the planet Earth? I dont believe they are. The fact that they are so different from any other indigeneous lifeforms on the Earth lead me to believe that they may well be extraterrestrial. We are use to seeing aliens as being portrayed as two legged, two armed, two eyed human like beings. But the truth of the matter is, and again this is only my opinion, truly alien life should in my estimation be, well.... alien! Are they intelligent, are they probes of some kind? I cant speculate that far.

The fact remains that no "dead" rods have ever been found. This leads me to believe that they are not from this planet. Of course there are those who theorize that the bodies disintegrate before reaching the ground. Who can say? To say the least, rods are a fascinating enigma. I have even heard of purported prehistoric cave paintings of rods. I will have to look into that further, as far as I am aware cavemen did not have camcorders in those days, so I would wonder about what they were truly drawing. Whatever rods are we may only wonder at for now, until they day that one of them can be studied closely.

I strongly believe that flying rods are evoluted on earth, not from the outer space as I don't think they can build any spaceships, nor pass through the atmosphere without getting burnt. However I'm wondering how come they can fly so fast that we can hardly see them with our naked eyes.

What do you think ?

HazZy

probably a hoax brought on by weird pictures of birds, then escalated by use of computer programs such as adobe photoshop [;)]. the photos on the site look completely fake, even i could doctor something to that nature up in around 10 minutes. however the possibility always exists that they may be real, i just really doubt it.

Ivan Seeking

I have seen some very interesting videos of this claim. One optical specialist says that we really need a film, rather than a video, in order to rule out certain types of fraud. On the other hand, some of the videos that I've seen would be no small task to fake. Another possibility that occurs to me is that we are really seeing something inside the lens, or perhaps something very close to the lens. But the one video from the cave jumpers [people parachuting into deep caves...I know, they sound like nuts already] in South America does seem to offer perspective. I think we see a "rod" fly behind a tree branch.

Another camera team inadvertently recorded a rod while doing another story on the Oregon Vortex. This “vortex” is the standard hill on a hill situation and is a friendly tourist hoax …Knott’s Berry Farm – an amusement park in California - has a vortex also. The circumstances for this particular video are not encouraging…considering that the camera team was promoting a false story in the first place. I feel this lends credence to the notion that many of these videos are faked. Of course, this crew could have been oblivious to all arguments and simply reported what they had recorded

FZ+

Hmm... I noticed a problem. If these rods are alleged to travel too quickly to be seen with the human eye, how come they appear on these photos without ANY motion blur? They must be using very short exposure films - which they would only be doing, if they were expecting to see the rods in the first place....
Hmm... I smell a rat....

username

I watched a documentary on 'rods' I could not stop laughing for ages you gotta love em :)

LURCH

I'm convinced they are nothing more than bugs. Am I the only one who saw the news report from Bagdad, where these "flying rods" were buzzing all around the reporter? They were identicle to those in the photos, or any video you've seen on TV.

The rod shape with waves along the sides is what the camera makes of a bug flying by, flapping its wings.

Ivan Seeking

Originally posted by username
I watched a documentary on 'rods' I could not stop laughing for ages you gotta love em :)

Hello username,
I was wondering what you saw that convinced you that it was a hoax? I never saw anything convincing either way. To me the weird explanations are just silly, but whethter these alleged unboserved bugs exist or don't exist was to me not clear.

username

Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
Hello username,
I was wondering what you saw that convinced you that it was a hoax? I never saw anything convincing either way. To me the weird explanations are just silly, but whether these alleged unboserved bugs exist or don't exist was to me not clear.

It was one of those sensationalist documentaries very funny alien rods etc. Personally I think they are just normal bugs but I try to keep an open mind that they could be something else. This is something that needs more investigation.

Ivan Seeking

Oh yes. All the garbage out there makes it nearly impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. I don't get real worked up over this one but a couple of videos did look interesting. Still, interesting is the strongest word that I would use. I would have immediately assumed that we are seeing an optical effect such as the one suggested by Lurch, but the resolution and clarity appear too good. One problem with digital technology is the way that it will compensate given poor focus or highly contrasted lighting.

russ_watters

Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
Hello username,
I was wondering what you saw that convinced you that it was a hoax? I never saw anything convincing either way. To me the weird explanations are just silly, but whethter these alleged unboserved bugs exist or don't exist was to me not clear.

Extrordinary claims require extrordinary evidence. If it seems to good (weird) to be true, it probably is. This is one of those things that is just too bizarre (not to mention unconfirmed) to be true. Sometimes though, they just "smell" like a hoax. You need to learn to smell a hoax.

All the garbage out there makes it nearly impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Not at all. The wheat is obvious. Everyting else (the vast majority) is chaff.

Ivan Seeking

Originally posted by russ_watters
Extrordinary claims require extrordinary evidence. If it seems to good (weird) to be true, it probably is. This is one of those things that is just too bizarre (not to mention unconfirmed) to be true. Sometimes though, they just "smell" like a hoax. You need to learn to smell a hoax. Not at all. The wheat is obvious. Everyting else (the vast majority) is chaff.

I surely see nothing compelling here, but I think I smell an optical or digital effect rather than a hoax. The bit that I've seen on this implies that quite a few people are recording these alleged anomalies, but I really know little about it. I still tend to think that Lurch could have the right idea.

When it comes to the wheat and the chaff however, I maintain that the truth is the most elusive thing of all.

LURCH

I can think of one thing that would clinch it (for most peolpe). If these are ordinary bugs, then somewhere out there, in all the hours of moving footage of these things, there ought to be a video in which one of them bumps into a rock climber, or a window, or something. At the moment where the "rod's" forward progress is halted, it should cease to be a rod and take on the appearance of an ordinary insect.

KLscilevothma

Orginally posted by LURCH
The rod shape with waves along the sides is what the camera makes of a bug flying by, flapping its wings.

If they are really bugs that we have identified, and we know their characteristics that they can fly at a very high speed, why don't people tell us what they are? Besides, this "rods" issue has been brought up for quite a long time, if there are some enthusiasts out there, why couldn't they draw up conclusions after their long term investigation? Moreover, I think biologists have never shown interests on "rods". [:)]

I do believe there are odd creatures on earth, perhaps "rods" is one of them if they aren't created by hoaxers.

russ_watters

Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
I surely see nothing compelling here, but I think I smell an optical or digital effect rather than a hoax. The bit that I've seen on this implies that quite a few people are recording these alleged anomalies, but I really know little about it. I still tend to think that Lurch could have the right idea.

When it comes to the wheat and the chaff however, I maintain that the truth is the most elusive thing of all.

Quite a few people take pictures of lens flares and say they are spaceships too. Whether something is a mistake or a hoax is simply a question of motive. Its all still chaff.

And yes, the truth can be elusive - but that means you should be skeptical of EVERYTHING. Most people tend to do the opposite and accept everything. Thats just plain gullibility.

Ivan Seeking

Originally posted by russ_watters
Quite a few people take pictures of lens flares and say they are spaceships too. Whether something is a mistake or a hoax is simply a question of motive. Its all still chaff.

Crooked people tell lies and honest people make mistakes. No argument from me.

And yes, the truth can be elusive - but that means you should be skeptical of EVERYTHING. Most people tend to do the opposite and accept everything. Thats just plain gullibility.

I agree. Beliefs and needs do get in the way. Still, skepticism can also be taken to extremes.

One funny example that comes to mind is an old Candid Camera skit - from the 60s or 70s. I think this demonstrates an important point. [This is not really a "rods" argument but oh well] The setup was in a park. The victim happens along and sits on a park bench. In front of the bench is a fake tree trunk - about 6 feet of a large diameter trunk with rest of the tree removed. To the victim this is just an old tree. In reality someone is hiding inside of this false trunk. The gag was that the tree moves whenever the victim is not looking. Things proceeded pretty much as expected... the double takes followed by frowns, head scratches, shocked stares, the works. Last is the guy who happens to look up and see the tree move at just the right time. This gentleman looked right at the tree, saw it move, stared blankly for a moment in disbelief, and then convinced himself that he had not seen the tree move.

Gullibility comes in two flavors.

If while all of those around you clamour with panic and fear that the sky is falling, you sit quietly, calm and collected, and with your composer in tact, then perhaps they know something you don't.

Ivan Seeking

Originally posted by russ_watters
Its all still chaff.

This however is a faith argument that cannot be defended. Have you seen it all? How much research have you done?

russ_watters

Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
This however is a faith argument that cannot be defended. Have you seen it all? How much research have you done?

I think you misunderstood. My point was that mistakes and hoaxes are different from each other in the motivation of the person making the claims, but are both still chaff.

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HazZy	probably a hoax brought on by weird pictures of birds, then escalated by use of computer programs such as adobe photoshop [;)]. the photos on the site look completely fake, even i could doctor something to that nature up in around 10 minutes. however the possibility always exists that they may be real, i just really doubt it.

FZ+	Flying rods Hmm... I noticed a problem. If these rods are alleged to travel too quickly to be seen with the human eye, how come they appear on these photos without ANY motion blur? They must be using very short exposure films - which they would only be doing, if they were expecting to see the rods in the first place.... Hmm... I smell a rat....

username	I watched a documentary on 'rods' I could not stop laughing for ages you gotta love em :)

LURCH Recognitions: Gold Member Science Advisor	I'm convinced they are nothing more than bugs. Am I the only one who saw the news report from Bagdad, where these "flying rods" were buzzing all around the reporter? They were identicle to those in the photos, or any video you've seen on TV. The rod shape with waves along the sides is what the camera makes of a bug flying by, flapping its wings.