Can Periodic Hamiltonian and Translation Operators Share Eigenstates?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between periodic Hamiltonian operators and translation operators, specifically whether they can share simultaneous eigenstates. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and operator algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • eNtRopY asserts that if a periodic Hamiltonian commutes with the translation operator, then they can have simultaneous eigenstates.
  • Another participant questions whether the periodic Hamiltonian is analogous to a harmonic oscillator function.
  • eNtRopY clarifies that the periodic Hamiltonian is independent of time and periodic in space, likening it to a Bloch function.
  • A later reply challenges the initial assertion by stating that any two commuting operators can have simultaneous eigenstates, suggesting that the periodic condition may not be relevant.
  • This participant proposes that the task may involve finding an explicit expression for the eigenstates, referencing a specific form from a quantum mechanics text.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance of the periodic condition in relation to the commutation of operators and the existence of simultaneous eigenstates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these conditions.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the periodic Hamiltonian and the specific conditions under which the operators commute. The discussion does not clarify the mathematical steps needed to derive the eigenstates explicitly.

eNtRopY
Prove that if a periodic Hamiltonian operator commutes with the translation operator then these two operators can have simultaneous eigenstates.


{{ H(x) = H(x+a) }
& { T(a)f(x) = f(x+a) }
& { [T(a),H(x)] = 0 }
}
--> {{[uni][psi] [subset] complex functions, there exists [psi] [subset] complex functions
such that { H(x)[psi](x) = E[psi](x) }
& { T(a)[psi](x) = c(a)[psi](x) }
}

Thanks dudes.

eNtRopY
 
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is the periodic hamiltonian a harmonic oscillator function?
 
No it's independent of time. I mean that it is periodic in space... like a Bloch function.

V(x+a) = V(x)

Actually, I believe I figured out the answer, but if you guys want to post your answer that's cool too.

eNtRopY
 
Originally posted by eNtRopY
Prove that if a periodic Hamiltonian operator commutes with the translation operator then these two operators can have simultaneous eigenstates.

Are you sure that's the problem? I ask because any two operators that commute can have simultaneous eigenstates; the "periodic" condition has nothing to do with it.

Methinks you are supposed to be finding an explicit expression for what exactly those eigenstates are.


In this case, |θ>=Σeinθ|n> (n goes from -[oo] to +[oo]) is an eigenstate of τ(a) with eigenvalue e-iθ.

This is from Sakurai, Modern Quantum Mechanics pp. 261-263.
 

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