Poll: How many elementary fermions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the number of elementary fermions expected in a final theory of particle physics, with a focus on the implications of the Pauli exclusion principle and the nature of particle-antiparticle pairs.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant narrows the question to fermions, suggesting that the Pauli principle aligns with the concept of particle impenetrability.
  • Another participant questions why the suggested answers are all powers of 2, prompting a discussion on degrees of freedom in fields.
  • A participant explains that the multiplication or division of answers arises from considering particle-antiparticle distinctions and helicity states, leading to a form of n*2^m.
  • One participant proposes a specific count of six leptons and six quarks, totaling 24 when including antiparticles, while dismissing supersymmetric fermions as "real" fermions.
  • There are humorous interjections regarding the previous comments, indicating a light-hearted tone amidst the technical discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the count of elementary fermions, with no consensus reached on the final number or the validity of including certain particles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the nature of fermions, the treatment of antiparticles, or the implications of supersymmetry.

How many elementary fermions in final theory?

  • 0

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • 4

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • 8

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 16

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • some low number

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • around 90

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • finite, but a lot

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • infiniry

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    6
arivero
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The question, broadly, is how many elementary particles do you expect to be in the final theory. But just to be more concrete, I have narrowed it to "fermions" as Pauli principle is the closest thing we have to ancient "impenetrability", fitting the naive idea of particle.
 
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Why are all the suggested answers powers of 2?
 
Well, in part because when you are thinking about the question you think about "degrees of freedom" of fields, and this usually come to duplicate or halving the answer. For instance, if you decide that particle and artiparticle are two different elementary objects, you multiply by two. If you decide that helicities 1/2 and -1/2 are the same particle, you divide by two. So the likeliest answer will be something as n*2^m... note that by restricting to fermions I ruled out the number of Higgses and other bosons.

Then, as always, the poll does not cover all the possibilities. Reasoned comments are wellcome :-)

Alejandro
 
six leptons and six quarks, plus antiparticles, makes 24. I don't consider "fermionic" particles in super symmetry to be real fermions.
 
^^^ Sracist.
 
PCino
 
Originally posted by damgo
^^^ Sracist.
LOL!

You know you're a nerd when you get jokes like this!

- Warren
 

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