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LED light bulbs from Lights Of America

by Redbelly98
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TopuLEDlight
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Nov18-10, 02:54 AM
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Actually LED lumens is different, some like Epistar DIP chip its about 6.5-7lm per unit, for SMD chip its about 5-6.5lm per piece. Now Epistar or CREE have high power LED, one piece 1W-3W for led spot light, 10W-100W for led street lights, led high bays, tunnel lights......these lumens is about 90-110lm, maybe cree chip higher....
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Nov18-10, 07:31 AM
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Now Epistar or CREE have high power LED, one piece 1W-3W for led spot light, 10W-100W for led street lights, led high bays, tunnel lights......these lumens is about 90-110lm, maybe cree chip higher....
Which wattage produces the 90-110 lm?
TopuLEDlight
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Nov18-10, 07:30 PM
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Which wattage produces the 90-110 lm?
currently we use 1w-3w leds, unit led lumens is about 90-110lm, you know cree chip? if for CREE XP series maybe higher lumens.....

Take E27 3W led spot light for example, its lumens is about 270lm in real, however the power driver need to consume some lumens, usually the power factor for it is 0.85-0.95, so for 3w led spot light total lumens will be 240lm around.............

One more thing, if for high power led lights, such as led high bays, led street lights, led flood lights, the led is about 60-70lm/w, unit led 10W, 30W, 50W, 60W, 100W or integration led, unit high power led is higher costs than integration leds also better quality......

sorry my led lighting technology is limited..... hope we can communicate futher...

Nice to know you!
Redbelly98
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Mar16-11, 06:27 PM
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Update:

Lights of America now gives a lumen rating of 70 to 90 for their 1.5 W LED bulbs (lumen rating varies for different bulb models). I was looking at them in my local hardware store the other day, where I originally bought the LED bulbs that prompted me to start this thread.

The lumen rating means they are comparable to a 10 to 12 W incandescent (GE's 15 W soft white bulbs are rated at 110 lumens). At least Lights of America is more forthcoming about the light output now, but I am still leery of the lifetime issues. At $10 per bulb, I don't plan to retest them.
aceaceace
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May12-11, 09:52 AM
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I purchased 4 Lights of America 1.5 watt 2026LED-30K LED Bulb bulbs for myself in 2010. They did not have enough lumens to light up a room, but they were good for a bedside light to read by or to illuminate the house numbers on the front of my house. So I was happy at first. They seemed to be about the same as a 20 watt incandescent. Plus I liked the cool plastic housing.

These LED bulbs are supposed to last 30,000 hours. I kept the packaging just in case they didn't last. All 4 2026LED LED bulbs burned out in less than 6 months, all in 2010. I do not recommend Lights of America LED bulbs, all 4 Lights of America bulbs failed in 6 months and are advertised to last 30,000 hours. I am disappointed because this manufacturer gives all LED bulbs a bad rap.

I took 2 of these Lights of America LED bulbs Lights of America 2026LED-30K LED Bulb back to the local Walmart were I got them along with the packaging, but Walmart would not give me credit, a replacement, or money back without a receipt, even with the original packaging (who keeps a receipt for a light bulb, but if you buy one of these you better keep the receipt). They said I had to go to the manufacturer. I told them to look up this purchase up on my credit cart, but they said Walmart is not setup to do that. Sorry for the extra rant about Walmart, but it was related to my Lights of America purchase.

I contacted Lights of America by email, they did email back, but said I had to have the receipt or send the 2026LED LED bulbs back at my expense. I still might send them back, but what good is that to pay for shipping for LED's that I know will only last 6 months?

Here is the form letter response I received back from Lights of America.

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Dear xxxxx,

Every product has a warranty policy written on the product package. Please check your package for the policy covering your product. Our warranty policies are also listed on our website. For online purchases, this warranty is only valid if the products are sold by an authorized reseller listed on www.lightsofamerica.com.
Example: Ebay is not an authorized reseller of Lights of America.

If your LED product fails within the stated warranty period due to defects in material or workmanship, the product may be returned to the retail store for refund or replacement.

Lights of America's warranty policy is explicitly for repair or replacement of product parts only. We require a copy of your purchase receipt. Please send a copy of your receipt by fax 909-598-1446 or you can mail it using the address below. Please include this issue number and mailing address with all correspondence.

If you do not have your receipt, please return the product to Lights of America at your expense.

Please send all returned items to:

Lights of America
611 Reyes Drive
Walnut, CA 91789
ATTN: Consumer Affairs Dept.

Thank you,
Lights of America, Inc.
Nik_2213
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May23-11, 02:50 PM
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That's roughly the reply I got from local B&Q super-store when I queried LED life.

Snag is there's no way to determine from lamp how long it lasted. Incandescents, fluorescent tubes and CFLs tend to darken with use, LEDs just die...

Also, when a lamp is quoted as eg 'Five Year Life !!', be wary: This may apply to use for only a couple of hours a day.

I got an LED lamp to go over a staircase because the existing CFLs lit slowly and, sometimes, blinked before striking. With a photo-sensitive epileptic in the family, this was intolerable. My first 'fix' was to replace one of the three CFLs with a 40 Watt incandescent lamp, which provided immediate navigation light and masked the CFLs' start-up.

It was such a chore climbing up every three months to replace the incandescent, that I got an LED lamp. It was great for a couple of months, then died at switch-on. The mail-order supplier refused to consider replacement as I couldn't prove it was their product at fault...
Misericorde
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May23-11, 03:59 PM
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Does anyone here have a light meter for photography? If so, we could put this to a test, because I recently fell into the same trap as Redbelly... damn it.

I think the failures must be the chips controlling the LED, not the LEDs themselves, bastards.
aceaceace
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May23-11, 05:26 PM
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It would be nice if someone from Lights of America would respond, or maybe a retired or X employee of Lights of America (I know you are reading this right now), and explain how Lights of America arrived at a 27 year warranty (3 hours a day for 27 years = 29,565 hours) on an LED bulb that in reality burned out in 6 months?

Plus, are we seriously supposed to keep our receipts for 27 years? I think on a warranty this long the date of manufacture could be stamped on the bulb instead. This is standard practice on things that really do have a decent company behind a long warranty. Example: hard disk drives have the date of manufacture stamped on the drive and no receipt is needed to get a replacement drive.
HowlerMonkey
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Jul9-11, 07:20 PM
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Lumen rating needs to be weighted vs the spectrum of output.

http://www.gelighting.com/na/busines...ion_curves.htm
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Jul9-11, 07:59 PM
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Quote Quote by HowlerMonkey View Post
Lumen rating needs to be weighted vs the spectrum of output.

http://www.gelighting.com/na/busines...ion_curves.htm
Can you explain the relevance to this discussion? The link does not include any LED data that I could find. Am I missing something? Also, it's data from GE, not Lights of America.
aceaceace
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Jul10-11, 09:23 AM
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I looked on Lights of America's website, they don't have any data at all about Lumens.

I did find on their website that they warranty LED bulbs for 3 years (yet they advertise they last 27 years). But you MUST have the proof of purchase, and you have to ship them at your own expense to Lights of America. Based on my experience with LoA, I would not purchase LED's from them.
aceaceace
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Jul10-11, 10:01 AM
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Maybe the FTC reads our posts?

The Federal Trade Commission has sued a California-based light bulb manufacturer and its principals to stop them from misleading consumers by exaggerating the light output and life expectancy of its Light Emitting Diode (LED) bulbs.

In filing the complaint, the FTC is seeking a permanent injunction to stop the defendants’ allegedly illegal conduct, as well as monetary redress for consumers who bought the deceptively labeled products.

full story here:

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2010/09/lightsofamerica.shtm
aceaceace
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Jul10-11, 10:10 AM
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Also, possibly as a result of all the Lights of America false advertising complaints.

Coming in 2011: New Labels for Light Bulb Packaging

Starting in mid-2011, the Federal Trade Commission announced today, consumers shopping for light bulbs will notice new labeling on packaging designed to help them choose among the different types of bulbs on the market – traditional incandescent bulbs, and newer high-efficiency compact fluorescent (CFL) and light-emitting diode (LED) bulbs. The new labels will enable consumers to save money by selecting the most efficient bulbs that best fit their lighting needs.

full story here: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2010/06/lightbulbs.shtm

Redbelly98
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Jul10-11, 10:28 AM
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That is good news, thanks for posting it.

From the article:
Also, in many cases, Lights of America deceptively compared the brightness of its LED light bulbs with incandescent bulbs, the FTC alleges. For example, the firm claimed that one of its LED lantern bulbs could replace a 40-watt incandescent bulb. However, while the typical 40-watt incandescent bulb produces about 400 lumens, the Lights of America LED bulb produced only 74 lumens.
So that's about 18% of the light output of a 40W incandescent. The article discusses the lifetime claims as well, giving concrete numbers to dispute LOA's stated lifetime rating.

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