How to calculate the moment of inertia of the rigid body?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the moment of inertia for various rigid bodies, specifically a thin spherical shell and a solid sphere. Participants explore definitions, mathematical formulations, and methods for deriving these values, including integrals and geometric considerations.

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  • One participant provides formulas for the moment of inertia of a thin spherical shell and a solid sphere, suggesting I=(2/3)MR^2 and I=(2/5)MR^2, respectively.
  • Another participant introduces the definition of moment of inertia as I = ∫ r² dm and discusses the mass element for the spherical shell using spherical coordinates.
  • A participant requests clarification on the derivation of the area element dA = R² sin θ dθ dφ, prompting further explanations involving geometric approximations.
  • Multiple participants seek detailed explanations of the area element dA, with one describing it as a rectangle formed by arclengths along great circles and in the horizontal plane.
  • A newcomer expresses difficulties with the formulas and requests guidance on their application, indicating a lack of clarity in their textbook.
  • Another participant relates moment of inertia to torque and angular acceleration, emphasizing the importance of the axis of rotation when calculating moment of inertia.
  • One participant suggests that deriving the moment of inertia for a solid sphere using thin rings might be simpler than using a volume integral.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on specific concepts, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach to teaching or deriving the moment of inertia for these bodies. Multiple methods and perspectives are presented without resolution.

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Some participants' explanations depend on assumptions about geometric interpretations and integration techniques, which may not be universally understood. The discussion reflects a range of familiarity with the topic, from novice to more experienced participants.

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I don't know how to calculate the following rigid bodies with different geometries, can anybody help me?

Thin spherical shell: I=(2/3)MR^2

Solid sphere: I=(2/5)MR^2

Thanks in advance.
 
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Use the definition of moment of inertia:

[tex]I = \int r^2 dm[/tex]

In the case of the shell the element of mass is [itex]dm = M {dA} /{4 \pi R^2}[/itex] where [itex]dA = R^2 \sin \theta d\theta d\phi[/tex]. The distance to a point on the shell from the z-axis is [itex]R^2 \sin^2 \theta[/itex] so<br /> <br /> [tex]I = \frac {M}{4 \pi R^2} \int_{0}^{2 \pi} d\phi \int_{-\pi /2}^{\pi /2}R^4 \sin^3 \theta d\theta[/tex]<br /> <br /> from which the desired result follows.<br /> <br /> In the case of the solid sphere you will work with a volume integral.[/itex]
 
Could you please explaim why [itex]dA = R^2 \sin \theta d\theta d\phi[/tex] in detail?[/itex]
 
copperboy said:
Could you please explaim why [itex]dA = R^2 \sin \theta d\theta d\phi[/tex] in detail?[/itex]
[itex] Consider an area segment dA on a sphere with radius R.<br /> We approximate this with a rectangle:<br /> a)Two of the sides are arclengths along great circles; the length of each of these is [tex]Rd\theta[/tex]<br /> b) The other two are arclengths in THE HORIZONTAL PLANE; the local radius there is [tex]R\sin\theta[/tex]<br /> Hence, the arclenth is [tex]R\sin\theta{d\phi}[/tex]<br /> c) Multiplying together, we get:<br /> [tex]dA=R^{2}\sin\theta{d\theta}d\phi[/tex][/itex]
 
copperboy said:
Could you please explaim why [itex]dA = R^2 \sin \theta d\theta d\phi[/tex] in detail?[/itex]
[itex] <br /> dA is a differential element of area on a spherical surface using spherical coordinates and it represents, to lowest order in differentials, the area of a rectangle [itex]R \sin \theta d\phi[/itex] high and [itex]R d\theta[/itex] units wide.[/itex]
 
This is the first time I'm involved in physics studies.I'm having a lots of problems using these formulas and the textbook I'm using does not make it easy. one from "James S. Walker"
Can someone please explain how and when to use these formulas.
Thank You.
 
This is one way to look at it

You must be familiar with the equation F=ma.

We use the Moment of Inertia to find the Torque.
Like how the force is directly propotional to acceleration, Torque is directly propotional to angular acceleration, the propotionality constant being the moment of inertia.

Also remember about what axis you are taking the moment of Inertia while solving problems. In most problems i have encounterd which ask you to find the angular acceleration, first find the torqure taking the vector product R X F. Next find the moment of inertia of the object about the required axis. Then the acceleration can be found


Also, for a solid sphere, perphaps deriving the moment of inertia by intergrating thin rings would be easier than a volume intergral?
 

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