[complex analysis] differentiation w.r.t. complex conjugate; does it make sense?by nonequilibrium Tags: analysis, complex, conjugate, differentiation, sense 

#1
Dec1311, 09:38 PM

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Hello,
Differentiability of [itex]f : \mathbb C \to \mathbb C[/itex] is characterized as [itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial z^*} = 0[/itex]. More exactly: [itex]\frac{\partial f(z,z^*)}{\partial z^*} := \frac{\partial f(z[x(z,z^*),y(z,z^*)])}{\partial z^*} = 0[/itex] where [itex]z(x,y) = x+iy[/itex] and [itex]x(z,z^*) = \frac{z+z^*}{2}[/itex] and analogously for y. But anyway, does this make sense? More specifically, is it consistent? The thing I'm having trouble with is that it looks like that we can always make the differentation w.r.t. z* zero. For example, for clarity of my argument, define [itex]g : \mathbb C \to \mathbb C: z \mapsto z^*[/itex] then for the modulus function [itex] \frac{\partial z}{\partial z^*} = \frac{\partial \sqrt{z g(z)}}{\partial z^*} = 0[/itex] as g is a function of z and not z*. Where is the mathematical error in this reasoning? 



#2
Dec1611, 05:01 PM

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One possible answer is that the technique uses the chain rule, which only works if the functions are differentiable.
Concretely in my example g is not differentiable, so the ``[itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial z^*} = 0 \Leftrightarrow f[/itex] is differentiable'' technique doesn't strictly apply. But if that is the explanation, then you can never use the ``[itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial z^*} = 0 \Leftrightarrow f[/itex] is differentiable'' technique to prove differentiability (as is often done and as is the sole purpose of the characterization), as you need to assume the differentiability for the requirements... (because if you don't, then you can construct examples as I did in the OP) Any thoughts? 



#3
Dec1611, 05:52 PM

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I'm a bit confused when you say that g is a function of z and not its conjugate, hence the partial must be zero. Doesn't that only work when the variables are independent?




#4
Dec1711, 10:18 AM

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[complex analysis] differentiation w.r.t. complex conjugate; does it make sense?However, I think that may have hit upon the error. The variables [itex]z[/itex] and [itex]\bar{z}[/itex] are independent, so the function g(z) is taking in z and returning the independent variable [itex]\bar{z}[/itex], which isn't possible. 



#5
Dec1711, 10:25 AM

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Mute, I don't understand your exact objection. Are you saying that I'm not allowed to define such function g?




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Dec1711, 11:05 AM

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Dec1711, 12:37 PM

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That doesn't really make sense though? How can there be a constriction on the functions that I'm allowed to define? So according to you, it's also illegal to use something like Re(z)? Where does it end?




#8
Dec1711, 07:36 PM

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When applied to the complex variable case, you have made a (formal) change of basis from x and y to z and z*, rendering z and z* independent variables. This is the Wirtinger calculus in which the CauchyRiemann equations take the form [tex]\frac{\partial f(z,z^\ast)}{\partial z^\ast} = 0.[/tex] If you are using this definition of the CR equations, then you are treating z and z* independently, which means you cannot define a function g(z) which returns z*. (A function like Re(z) could still be defined by (z+z*)/2). Perhaps the confusion arises because we normally don't consider z and z* to really be independent, but when using the Wirtinger calculus, you are formally treating them that way. I myself am a bit foggy on why the Wirtinger calculus works, but if I recall correctly, it is in part because when you define a complex function as [tex]f(z) = u(x,y) + iv(x,y),[/tex] the functions u and v (presumably) have convergent taylor series for which you can formally let x and y themselves be complex variables, which allows you to treat z and z* independently. This is as far as my memory goes on this topic, though, so if you want exact details you will have to seek them out for yourself. 



#9
Dec1811, 07:07 AM

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Okay I think I'm starting to see your point... It does seem really fishy to say that z and z* are independent variables, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but I suppose it's allowed if one can make it mathematically consistent...
But may I try to correct your point a bit more? You say I'm not allowed to define g as [itex]g : \mathbb C \to \mathbb C: z \mapsto z^*[/itex]? I don't think this can be correct, after all the CR characterization [itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial z^*}=0[/itex] is used to show that functions such as g aren't complex differentiable. A more correct objection (correct me if you think I'm wrong) would seem to me to say that g as defined above is okay as a normal function, but in this Wirtinger calculus, complex functions now depend on both z and z*, and the corresponding function is now [itex]\tilde g : \mathbb C^2 \to \mathbb C: (z,z^*) \mapsto z^*[/itex] and for brevity one says, for obvious reasons, that [itex]g = \tilde g[/itex], which can be dangerous because you shouldn't apply the ``[itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial z^*}=0[/itex]'' test to the LHS (i.e. g), but to the RHS (i.e. [itex]\tilde g[/itex]). Do you agree? 


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